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Re: [ga] ICANN Staff's at-large website
Joe and all former DNSO GA members or other interested parties,
Unfortunatly, I am afraid you might be right here Joe... :(
Joe Baptista wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> > Abel and all,
> >
> > I completely agree with Abel's concerns here as he stated them.
> > Vittorio has acted badly and in seemingly bad faith.
>
> He's perfect for Rio - Vittorio, Vittorio, oley & oivey.
>
> I've been watching some of this crap. Vittorio is the perfect ICANN
> crony. I can see it now - vittorio in a leather collar with a leash
> attached to a scrany ester polyester. she cracks the whip against his
> hairy buttocks as she screams roll over vittorio - and vittorio rolls
> over.
>
> it's time for me to go back to my coma .. poor vittorio.
>
> regards
> joe baptista
>
> Joe Baptista - only at www.baptista.god
>
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> >
> > Abel Wisman wrote:
> >
> > > Vittorio,
> > >
> > > You clearly fail to see that the moment you resigned, the maillist was
> > > property of the remaining panellists, not yours to do with as you
> > > please.
> > > While being a panel member you had a limited right of access of that
> > > list, which represent the member-list for the organisation.
> > > By sending this list to non panel members and selectively upon your own
> > > decision you have demonstrated a total disregard for simple democratic
> > > rules, written or non-written.
> > > You have willingly and purposly thrown the organisation of a cliff while
> > > smiling in the rafters, making sure no election COULD take place by not
> > > giving the maillist to the remainder of the panel.
> > >
> > > If this is your idea of how to handle a position of trust and
> > > resposibility then I pity the ALAC, no matter what I think of that, with
> > > you as chairman and sincerely hope that ICANN has safeguarded her
> > > brainchild from the likes of you.
> > >
> > > No matter how you wiggle, you have only you to blame, the entire
> > > organisation has you to blame, but I have no doubt you wont loose sleep
> > > over it.
> > >
> > > You in person have no legal rights to a passwd for a site of an
> > > organisation you are no longer a panel member of, nor did you have the
> > > right to share that passwd with anyone BUT the panel members, no mattter
> > > how few were remaining and what their political agendas were.
> > >
> > > Abel
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org] On Behalf
> > > > Of Vittorio Bertola
> > > > Sent: 17 March 2003 16:44
> > > > To: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
> > > > Cc: ga@dnso.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN Staff's at-large website
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:42:44 +0100, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >2. Vittorio Bertola is the Chair of the WG-Web maintaining
> > > > > the site discussed by Joanna, being the only one
> > > > > having the password.
> > > >
> > > > False. I gave the password to the watchdogs. And I am not
> > > > Chair of anything any more.
> > > >
> > > > >3. there is a panel made of three not resigning Panelists
> > > > > including Vittorio Bertola, and there is a list of elected
> > > > > replacements that Viottorio refused to call. We will note
> > > > > that the last Panelist to resign were bored out by
> > > > > Vittorio innaction and that after the last resignation
> > > > > Vittorio ran a 8 days long vote of the Panel.
> > > >
> > > > You fail to mention that the three not resigning Panelists,
> > > > including you, voted unanimously to have new elections rather
> > > > than call replacements in and continue working. I simply
> > > > applied what we decided. You could have voted against the
> > > > election if you didn't want the Panel to stop working.
> > > >
> > > > >4. New elections are blocked because Vittorio Bertola
> > > > > made sure that the list of the Members would be
> > > > > given to two members with no mandate and no way
> > > > > to proceed, rather than to the Panel he chairs, as
> > > > > he publicly committed, and as any non ICANNer
> > > > > would do.
> > > >
> > > > This was my decision (given the complete lack of rules about
> > > > what to do in this case) to ensure the exact opposite - that
> > > > elections would actually happen, and that the rest of the
> > > > Panel would not be able to cancel them. If there are
> > > > practical problems that prevent the election from happening,
> > > > I have said a number of times that I am available to help the
> > > > watchdogs.
> > > >
> > > > >I thought that correcting a few erroneous details in the valuable
> > > > >communication of the ALAC Chair, could help better understanding the
> > > > >ICANN semantic. In ICANNers language NO means YES, etc. Once you
> > > > >understdood that, they become an as reliable source of information
> > > > >as any other one.
> > > >
> > > > Jefsey, I might say the same about you and all your dramatic
> > > > postings, with which apparently you are trying to put
> > > > pressure on me so that I give the list to you and you can
> > > > actually put your hands on the organization. Why can't we
> > > > simply have elections and let the members vote on who should
> > > > lead them, rather than you and Bruce ruling the organization
> > > > alone? There's no necessity for you to have the membership
> > > > list before the elections.
> > > > --
> > > > vb. [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a]
> > > > bertola.eu.org]<------
> > > > --------> http://bertola.eu.org/ - Archivio FAQ e molto altro...
> > > > --------> <--------
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> > Regards,
> >
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