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Hi.
I´m catching up with email, and when I saw the huge backlog piled up in few
days I thought that something really serious had happened.
What a relief to see it was only the periodic remake of the "censorhip is
good/bad" movie.
I´m cumulating the answers, not necessarily in priority nor in chronological
order.
Richard Henderson:
> I suspect that the German sense of humour is the problem here.
Yuo´re right, but it´s probably the European sense of humour, more than the
German alone. Although we (Italians) mostly make fun of the German sense of
humour, I have to admit my solidarity with the Germans here.
You quote sketches I unfortunately did not see, neither I´m aware of, so I
might be off mark, but I don´t underestimate the sensitivity to a tragedy
that has hit a great part (if not even the vast majority) of Europeans. We
also have sketches on TV, but we take personal offense to be compared to
people, like the fascists and the nazists, who have caused several millions
deaths. The size of few thousands twin towers blowups. In fact, there are
lots of similarities. First of all, the victims were innocent. Their fault,
in the case of AlQaida´, to be there. In the case of fascists and nazists,
to be of a certain race or religion, or to have certain sexual inclination,
or other factors that you cannot easily control (and for which you should
not be discriminated in first place).
Try to think of thousands of 9/11 over few years, affecting most of the
families in a country, and you will realize how the sense of humour might be
affected for generations. Of course, Europeans have to get out of it, but
please understand that it is not easy.
To the general issue of "censorship":
Well, I am *not* against censorship, but I do believe that it is justified
only in extereme circumstances, and under the control of an appropriate body
who applies rules decided *before* the event. As an example, I do believe
that (please forgive methe abused example) screaming "Fire" in an
overcrowded theatre is not expression of free speech, that journalists on
the front in case of war cannot divulgate any piece of information they
have, and so on.
So I agree with the principle of censorship (under extreme and controlled
circumstances) but I disagree on how it was applied here.
I personally know how INEGroup grows only through the replies of other
participants of this list. I firmly believe that those who are annoyed by
Jeff Williams posts have long ago learned how to deal with this. Those who
think that INEGroup is a legitimate stakeholder of this process, are going
only to be confirmed that there is an international plot against the
legitimate interests of the cowboys of Grapewine. Everybody will keep
his/her/its opinion regardless any action. In real life, there are many Jeff
Williams. You cannot shut up them. You shall not shut up them. You must only
prevent DoS attacks. Which is not the case. On the contrary, stopping Jeff,
who is a benign contributor, might only trigger other less benign
contributors to take different actions, that might be a real DoS.
Incidentally, I remember years ago, before the GA (even before ICANN), I was
surprised by Jeff wishing Happy Thanksgiving to everybody on the list we
happened to participate. You´ll never know. Well, I don´t know. The
wonderful sentence by Jon Postel about being conservative in writing and
liberal in reading might be appropriate. Anybody here can quote it exactly?
To Leah:
>As for the word fascist, the dictionary says this:
>
> 1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as
>that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the
>individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed
>by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and
>forcible suppression of opposition
> 2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or
>dictatorial control
Fine.
But I do believe that "your dictionary" only tells the Anglo-Saxon
interpretation of the word "fascist".
Unfortunately, we Italians have the privilege to be the authority about the
meaning, :<( so may I quote one of the authorities (IMHO, *THE* authority,
your mileage may vary) [Gabrielli (1989), Mondadori, page 1449], whose only
non-historical quote is "arrogant, tyrannical, violent person" (remark:
Incidentally, the example happens to say "With this fascist you cannot even
discuss").
About the Vittorio Bertola story:
I know personally Vittorio, and I can say not only that he is in good faith,
but also that he puts his extra personal engagement for moving things
forward. Incidentally, I am saying this against my personal interests,
because Vittorio has run against me (and beaten me) for offices, and will
probably do so in the future.
It is very easy to find things that people do wrong, except when people do
nothing. By extension, we can say that the more people do, the more they
will do wrong. What is the measure of things? Your mistakes? Or your
successes?
I am frankly appalled by the many who only complain, judge, spit sentences
(as we say in Italian), and never get their hands durty.
To Stéphane Bortzmeyer:
I followed the discussion on poisson (I also reported there on the situation
in the GA), but I do believe they happen in two different contexts. The
population of the poisson list is different from the GA list, and the people
that contribute to the two pretend to speak for different communities.
Rose´s draft fits there, I doubt it does hes here. Of course, I´d be
delighted to be wrong.
Bottom line, anybody?
I´ll try one. Or two.
Do we really need to shutup a voice to make the information flow better?
Is censorship the favourite subject because we have little to say on ohters?
Regards
Roberto
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