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Re: [registrars] Interesting quote from Melbourne IT in todays papers in Australia.
Eric Schaetzlein wrote:
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> I don't think the thick registry is the problem. It makes perfectly
> sense to store that information in a central place, that's what a registry
> is good for.
>
> On the other hand it should be defined by contract who "owns" the customer,
> and that's clearly the registrar.
Eric,
There is a saying in this country:
"Possession is 9/10 of the law"
That's the way I see it in this case.
It is better for the registrars to control the data,
and have the registry point to the appropriate
registrar as is the case with the thin registry
Then, the registrar can make sure the
right thing happens, and can additionally take steps
to control abuse. An argument can be made that this
could be done at the registry level, but I don't agree
that it would give us the proper comfort level.
The central whois is a requirement of the IP community
to make their jobs easier, and registrars who want
to have smoother registrar transfers. The spammers
and telemarketers have also "voted" for it. I can tell
you from personal experience that we don't like
receiving phone calls all day long from people
who have our phone number from when it appeared
in the NSI database pre-competition.
>
> I heard that .pro will also introduce a directory lookup service
> ("give me all lawyers in Germany")
Well, I know you are just giving an example of
a usage but I don't think that should be the
function of the whois. And if we take that example
who does it serve? Who needs a list of all
the lawyers in Germany? A telemarketer or a spammer
most likely.
Regards, Larry Erlich
http://www.DomainRegistry.com
>
> -Eric
>
> On 2001/05/09, Larry Erlich wrote:
> > Rob Hall wrote:
> > >
> > > In todays "The Australian", Melbourne IT chief executive officer
> > > Adrian Kloeden said,
> > >
> > > NeuLevel won the rights to be the registry for the .biz web suffix
> > > last year.
> > >
> > > The NeuLevel deal facilitates Melbourne IT's move into the lucrative
> > > web registry space. It also enables Melbourne IT to act as a data
> > > aggregator.
> > >
> > > "With biz.com, we will be controlling all of the data that comes to
> > > us," he said. "People registering with .biz do so because they want to
> > > be found. It's basically the equivalent of the Yellow Pages."
> >
> > This is what you get with a thick registry.
> >
> > We are not registrars, just order takers.
> > The gatekeeper is Neulevel. If the quote in the article is correct,
> > Neulevel basically believes they own the customer.
> >
> > I am sure that as part of the registry-registrar agreement,
> > we will have to indemnify Neulevel against any customer lawsuits,
> > and since they will be retaining the data, they will most certainly
> > get sued at some point.
> >
> > The registrar ("order taker") will have to indemnify them
> > for all costs in defending any lawsuits (in addition to the
> > registrar's own costs in defending the same suit.)
> > With a thin registry (as with NSI) we still have to indemnify,
> > but there is less of a chance of a lawsuit since they don't retain
> > any data or have any relationship with the
> > customer registering the name.
> >
> > But I'm not an attorney. Michael(s), your opinion?
> >
> > Larry Erlich
> >
> > http://www.DomainRegistry.com
> >
> > >
> > > I find it interesting that Melbourne IT is claiming control of all the
> > > data submitted to the .biz registry. This causes me concern, and I
> > > hope that the Neulevel CEO clears up this with Michael ASAP.
> > >
> > > Rob.
> > >
> > > Here is the entire article:
> > >
> > > Melb IT sacrifices for future of the .biz
> > > Penny Brown
> > > 09 May 2001
> > >
> > > MELBOURNE IT will sacrifice earnings in 2001-02 for a stake of up to
> > > 30 per cent in its joint venture NeuLevel, operator of the new web
> > > suffix .biz.
> > >
> > > Melbourne IT yesterday agreed to pay $6 million cash for a 10 per cent
> > > stake in NeuLevel after finalising negotiations with US telco NeuStar,
> > > its joint venture partner.
> > >
> > > It has an option to increase its interest to 30 per cent, for an
> > > estimated $12 million plus a cost of capital charge, by September
> > > 2001.
> > >
> > > "It is likely that we will have a short-term EBIT loss," Melbourne IT
> > > chief executive officer Adrian Kloeden said.
> > >
> > > "There will be front-end costs, such as software, hardware and
> > > marketing costs, associated with establishing the biz.com platform."
> > > Mr Kloeden said the investment would hurt the company's EBIT in the
> > > first two years but would make money in the long term.
> > >
> > > NeuLevel won the rights to be the registry for the .biz web suffix
> > > last year.
> > >
> > > The NeuLevel deal facilitates Melbourne IT's move into the lucrative
> > > web registry space. It also enables Melbourne IT to act as a data
> > > aggregator.
> > >
> > > Eventually, Melbourne IT would offer services similar to City Search's
> > > business directory, Mr Kloeden said.
> > >
> > > "With biz.com, we will be controlling all of the data that comes to
> > > us," he said. "People registering with .biz do so because they want to
> > > be found. It's basically the equivalent of the Yellow Pages."
> > >
> > > Melbourne IT shares fell 1c to 88c.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100
> > > President fax (613) 820-0777
> > > Momentous.ca Corp.
> > > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca
> > >
> > > iti,s
> >
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> Best regards,
>
> Eric
>
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