RE: [registrars] Transfer Process Points

[dwascher@iaregistry.com]

Rob,

From the definition these Telco's-ISP do have the ability to bind the domain
name holder to the registration and other agreements which was the main
point that Louis was making.

When the Telco buys out another the registrant information stays intact but
the contact information for Billing, Admin and technical needs to change to
the new Telco information. Our sister company Info Avenue is involved with
doing just this, from merging Web sites to new servers to all new email
address for every user including authentication.

A request for the move will be initiated between the registrant and the
Telco. The registrant in these cases will NOT be the one to initiate the
transfer request at the registrar level - it will be the Telco. The Telco's
are providing a "ONE STOP SHOP" by offering services such as signing up for
a DSL connection, a web site, online classes. The Telco's take it upon them
selves in providing a centralize place for services. The registrant expects
the Telco to handle and take care of managing these services. In day to day
operations the Telco registrant does not want to deal with the pieces of
going here to request and then wait for an email and if it does not go
through trying to figure out where to and whom to deal with. They expect a
domain and they expect it to work by using a service that they deal with day
in and day out. I can tell you from our stand point that this true because
we are owned by 18 independent Telco's just to provide and implement this
exact service.

David
IARegistry
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hall [mailto:rob@momentous.ca]
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 1:09 PM
To: dwascher@iaregistry.com; Registrars Mail List
Subject: RE: [registrars] Transfer Process Points


David,

I disagree.  Louis Touton was very clear in the registrars meeting in
Montevideo that the ISP or reseller is NOT someone with "Apparent
Authority".  It must be someone within the company, or there must be a legal
document giving that specific authority to the third party.  Just because an
ISP moves registrars does not give the ISP the authority to move all of
their domains to the new registrar.

Rob.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
Behalf Of dwascher@iaregistry.com
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 11:29 AM
To: Registrars Mail List
Subject: FW: [registrars] Transfer Process Points


In our industry the definition of the Apparent Authority would be the
telephone companies that we deal with. These telephone companies are agents
of the domain name holder along with their telephone and many other services
that they provide such as ISP and web hosting services. Almost all of these
Telco's are the admin for the domain and in most cases the billing contact
also. There are many situations when these Telco-ISP companies buy out
another which causes a mass displacement of 2,000 to 10,000 Telco users. Out
of these users there may be several hundred domains that now do not have
their previous email address. The ability for this Telco to request a
transfer is where the Apparent Authority come into play.

David W.
IARegistry

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
Behalf Of Larry Erlich
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 11:32 AM
To: Ross Wm Rader
Cc: Registrars List
Subject: Re: [registrars] Transfer Process Points


Ross Wm. Rader wrote:
>
> Register.com has made several recommendations on how the existing proposal
> can be improved. Tucows has a few informal comments on these
> recommendations.
>
> 1. Definition of Apparent Authority. Apparent Authority is a legally
defined
> term already. Furthermore, requiring that the Gaining Registrar abide by
the
> Losing Registrar's definition of apparent authority will through the
process
> into a state of confusion. ie - Tucows says "Admin Contact", Register.com
> says "Registrant" JoeX says "My Mother"...etc. It would be next to
> impossible to build a system that would deal with differences from
registrar
> to registrar on any meaningful basis.

Thanks for pointing that out (that apparent authority is defined legally).

So, what this says to me is that we are dealing with
what a "reasonable registrar" (as opposed to a
reasonable person) would believe when
interpreting the whois output. In other words, it is
NOT reasonable to believe that Interland, a web hosting
firm, has apparent authority over the domain GM.COM. It is
reasonable for a registrar to believe that the billing
contact, with an @GM.COM web address COULD,
under certain circumstances, have apparent authority
over the GM.COM domain. If the whois output (as I have
previously suggested) was modified by the potential
losing registrar, to have certain restrictions, then
this might NOT be the case).

What this all boils down to again is that it
is up to the gaining registrar to take the necessary
precautions prior to making a transfer request,
and that you can't restrict this to a strict definition
of who has the authority to agree to make these changes.
("Only Admin, "only Registrant" - it depends on the
circumstances). The definition of "apparent authority"
(below) seems to support this.

This will probably not sit well with registrars
that would like to have highly automated systems
in order to facilitate transfers. I think in the end
what we are going to see is that in order to maintain
some protection, a human is going to have to
get involved in the transfer process.

This would also seem to support the conclusion
that under certain circumstances an AUTO NACK
might be appropriate (note that I didn't say
ALL, I said CERTAIN).



http://dictionary.law.com/definition2.asp?selected=2411&bold=%7C%7C%7C%7C

apparent authority
n. the appearance of being the agent of another (employer or principal)
with the power to act for the principal. Since under the law of agency
the employer (the principal) is liable for the acts of his employee
(agent), if a person who is not an agent appears to an outsider (a
customer) to have been given authority by the principal, then the
principal is stuck for the acts of anyone he allows to appear to have
authority. This "apparent authority" can be given by providing Joe
Slobovia (who has no authority to contract) with materials, stationery,
forms, a truck with a company logo, or letting him work out of the
company office, so that a reasonable person would think Joe had
authority to act for the company. Then the contract or the price quote
given by Joe and accepted by a third party is binding on the company.
Apparent authority may also arise when Joe works for the company, has no
authority to contract, but appears to have been given that authority.
Beware of the salesman who exceeds his authority or the
hanger-on who claims to work for the boss.



>

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