Re: [registrars] Transfer Process Points

[Larry Erlich <erlich@domainregistry.com>]

Bhavin Turakhia wrote:
> 
> BTW I dont know if I am missing something here but there is one thing I
> could not find in the document which is VERY VERY important - and that is
> the policy of transferring domain names during the 45 day auto-renew period.
> Right now as I know it bulkregister, networksolutions and register.com

You can add DomainRegistry.com Inc. to that list.

> do
> not allow trfer of domain names after the expiry during the auto-renew
> period. However the true spirit of the auto-renew is actually meant to allow
> the customer to renew the domain name with the registrar of his choice
> within that period.

How did you arrive at that conclusion about the "spirit"? 
(The paragraph below does not support that.)

> Infact the verisign document clearly states that a
> refund would be made to the losing registrar if a domain name is trferred
> during the auto-renew period.

Bhavin,

There are other costs involved other than simply
the refund of the renewal fee by the registry. I have
pointed this out before at various times.  For example
(in some cases) DomainRegistry.com makes phone calls, send out postal
mail etc. This costs money. By rights, a registrar could
(I would imagine) delete the name exactly on
the expiration date. I don't view post expiration
date as a grace period to change registrar as it
would alter our business practices to the detriment
of registrants. If the registrant wants to transfer
they can do that before the expiration date.


Larry Erlich

http://www.DomainRegistry.com

> 
> this particular issue also causes a lot of transfer coincerns. Since most
> customers do not wake up about the trf process immediately. Then at the last
> moment if only about 4-5 days are left for the expiry it is not possible to
> do the trfer.
> 
> I dont know what the TUCOWS policy is on this since I have not trefrred any
> domains after expiry from TUCOWS yet
> 
> bhavin
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
> > Behalf Of Elana Broitman
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:40 PM
> > To: Bhavin Turakhia; ross@tucows.com; Larry Erlich
> > Cc: Registrars List
> > Subject: RE: [registrars] Transfer Process Points
> >
> >
> > I think that Bhavin makes a very good point about defining a list of
> > apparent authority personnel.  The current ICANN and registry
> > contracts and
> > concensus policies DO NOT define "apparent authority" - that's the whole
> > problem.
> >
> > We can limit it to registrant and administrative contact, and still allow
> > for indirect apparent authority per Louis' clairification, as described by
> > Mike: "If there was a contractual provision in the ISP subscription
> > agreement
> > appointing the ISP as an agent/attorney-in-fact for registrar sponsorship,
> > this would be acceptable as apparent authority. Simple
> > contractual language
> > absent this agent/attorney-in-fact language would not be sufficient to
> > convey apparent authority to an ISP. Notwithstanding, the gaining
> > registrar
> > would still have to provide existence of this documentation to the losing
> > registrar if requested."
> >
> > Mike - since your resolution states that the transfers document can be
> > amended at any time, why don't we propose this as an amendment to the
> > document for a separate vote?
> >
> > Thanks, Elana
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bhavin Turakhia [mailto:bhavin.t@directi.com]
> > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 12:08 PM
> > To: ross@tucows.com; Larry Erlich
> > Cc: Registrars List
> > Subject: RE: [registrars] Transfer Process Points
> >
> >
> >
> > > > it helps spread a unified message to all customers that the
> > > admin contact
> > > > and registrant have apparent authority to transfer a domain and
> > > therefore
> > > > they should be careful with what they put in those fields.
> > >
> > > So then how do you deal with my situation? I very definitely have the
> > > authority to change registrars on behalf of Tucows but I am not
> > the Admin
> > > Contact.
> >
> > the number of people who may actually be authorised to do this transfer
> > maybe many, however it is essential we stick with the admin cotnact and
> > registrant lets say. if you have the authority to do the shift iu
> > am pretty
> > sure you have enuf authority to contact the current admin contact and get
> > him to approve the transfer.
> >
> >

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