RE: [registrars] Transfer Process Points

["Bhavin Turakhia" <bhavin.t@directi.com>]

Lets put it this way -

"IF A CUSTOMER is unhappy with the current registrar then forcing him to
stay EVEN POST EXPIRY is wrong. I believe one of the most important aspects
of the documents was to be customer-centric. I believe as a customer I
should have the free choice to choose my registrar at anytime. After all I
NEVER asked for the auto renewal. Assuming you are giving me autorenewal
also give me the choice to change my registarrs."

Additonally the costs you speak of of making phone calls and sending letters
is a customer retention cost. Every business has it. No business however
FORCES a customer to stay just because thereis a cost to customer retention.
You say you bear an expesne in making phone calls and trying to get a
customer to renew. I presume this cost is made by you before the domain name
expires. Therefore if the customer inspite of you CALLING HIM UP and mailing
him chose not to renew with you before the expiry itself is DIRECT proof
that he doe snot want to deal with you. If on the other hand the customer
did want to renew with you I dont he would when you remind him and call him
up continuously

At the end of the day the true spirit of this proposal is to ensure that the
customer has a free choice. By making an auto renew available but not
allowing the customer to choose his registrar during this autorenew period
we are restricting this free choice

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Super-User [mailto:root@netscott.com]On Behalf Of Larry Erlich
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 11:26 PM
> To: Bhavin Turakhia
> Cc: Registrars List
> Subject: Re: [registrars] Transfer Process Points
>
>
> Bhavin Turakhia wrote:
> >
> > BTW I dont know if I am missing something here but there is one thing I
> > could not find in the document which is VERY VERY important -
> and that is
> > the policy of transferring domain names during the 45 day
> auto-renew period.
> > Right now as I know it bulkregister, networksolutions and register.com
>
> You can add DomainRegistry.com Inc. to that list.
>
> > do
> > not allow trfer of domain names after the expiry during the auto-renew
> > period. However the true spirit of the auto-renew is actually
> meant to allow
> > the customer to renew the domain name with the registrar of his choice
> > within that period.
>
> How did you arrive at that conclusion about the "spirit"?
> (The paragraph below does not support that.)
>
> > Infact the verisign document clearly states that a
> > refund would be made to the losing registrar if a domain name
> is trferred
> > during the auto-renew period.
>
> Bhavin,
>
> There are other costs involved other than simply
> the refund of the renewal fee by the registry. I have
> pointed this out before at various times.  For example
> (in some cases) DomainRegistry.com makes phone calls, send out postal
> mail etc. This costs money. By rights, a registrar could
> (I would imagine) delete the name exactly on
> the expiration date. I don't view post expiration
> date as a grace period to change registrar as it
> would alter our business practices to the detriment
> of registrants. If the registrant wants to transfer
> they can do that before the expiration date.
>
>
> Larry Erlich
>
> http://www.DomainRegistry.com
>
> >
> > this particular issue also causes a lot of transfer coincerns.
> Since most
> > customers do not wake up about the trf process immediately.
> Then at the last
> > moment if only about 4-5 days are left for the expiry it is not
> possible to
> > do the trfer.
> >
> > I dont know what the TUCOWS policy is on this since I have not
> trefrred any
> > domains after expiry from TUCOWS yet
> >
> > bhavin
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
> > > Behalf Of Elana Broitman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:40 PM
> > > To: Bhavin Turakhia; ross@tucows.com; Larry Erlich
> > > Cc: Registrars List
> > > Subject: RE: [registrars] Transfer Process Points
> > >
> > >
> > > I think that Bhavin makes a very good point about defining a list of
> > > apparent authority personnel.  The current ICANN and registry
> > > contracts and
> > > concensus policies DO NOT define "apparent authority" -
> that's the whole
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > We can limit it to registrant and administrative contact, and
> still allow
> > > for indirect apparent authority per Louis' clairification, as
> described by
> > > Mike: "If there was a contractual provision in the ISP subscription
> > > agreement
> > > appointing the ISP as an agent/attorney-in-fact for registrar
> sponsorship,
> > > this would be acceptable as apparent authority. Simple
> > > contractual language
> > > absent this agent/attorney-in-fact language would not be sufficient to
> > > convey apparent authority to an ISP. Notwithstanding, the gaining
> > > registrar
> > > would still have to provide existence of this documentation
> to the losing
> > > registrar if requested."
> > >
> > > Mike - since your resolution states that the transfers document can be
> > > amended at any time, why don't we propose this as an amendment to the
> > > document for a separate vote?
> > >
> > > Thanks, Elana
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bhavin Turakhia [mailto:bhavin.t@directi.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 12:08 PM
> > > To: ross@tucows.com; Larry Erlich
> > > Cc: Registrars List
> > > Subject: RE: [registrars] Transfer Process Points
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > it helps spread a unified message to all customers that the
> > > > admin contact
> > > > > and registrant have apparent authority to transfer a domain and
> > > > therefore
> > > > > they should be careful with what they put in those fields.
> > > >
> > > > So then how do you deal with my situation? I very
> definitely have the
> > > > authority to change registrars on behalf of Tucows but I am not
> > > the Admin
> > > > Contact.
> > >
> > > the number of people who may actually be authorised to do
> this transfer
> > > maybe many, however it is essential we stick with the admin
> cotnact and
> > > registrant lets say. if you have the authority to do the shift iu
> > > am pretty
> > > sure you have enuf authority to contact the current admin
> contact and get
> > > him to approve the transfer.
> > >
> > >
>
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