[registrars] Pattent on email changer and whois lookup

[Jim Archer <jarcher@registrationtek.com>]

Hi Rick...

When you find that prior art, would you please share it with the list?  I 
can think of a few registrars that are going to be in court fighting this 
pattent if NameScout tries to enforce it.

Jim

--On Monday, June 03, 2002 11:57 AM -0700 Rick Wesson <wessorh@ar.com> 
wrote:

>
> Applied for the pattent? I'll be digging up all my prior art, I think I
> even posted the methodology to the IETF lists as an Internet Draft, the
> Registrars list and I think its in at least one of the old gTLD bids.
>
> don't pattent processes that there are lots of prior art for.
>
> -rick
>
>
> On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Rob Hall wrote:
>
>> Paul,
>>
>> It is us that is doing it ... we call it "alias email", and we have
>> applied for a patent on the process.  We would welcome discussion with
>> any registrar who wishes to license this from us.
>>
>>
>> Rob.
>> Namescout.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
>> Behalf Of Paul Stahura
>> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:19 PM
>> To: Registrars@Dnso. Org
>> Subject: RE: [registrars] whois lookup
>>
>>
>> Just like with illegal drugs, there is the supply-side and the
>> demand-side. What Ken is talking about below is the demand-side.
>> He makes valid point that I happen to agree with.
>>
>> An additional way of limiting the abuse is on the supply-side.
>> We are contemplating implementing an "whois-email-address-changer"
>> service whereby the email addresses in eNom's port-43 output
>> will be dynamic.  I forget which other registrar is already doing this
>> (or soimething similar) (please tell me if you know which one)
>> This service will change the outputted email addresses to something like:
>> "thisaddrwillexpirein24hours.code1234567890@whoisemailforwarder.com"
>> all email sent to this address will be forwarded to the real address.
>> These addresses will be valid for a period of time
>> (like 24 hours, or a week) at which time it will never be used again.
>> This gives registrars enough time to send xfer notices (or whatever
>> "good" purposes we use the info for), yet
>> would then invalidate any abuser's scrapped whois information
>> every 24-hours.
>> The real addresses will still be publically available in our web-based
>> whois,
>> just like it is now.  (email addrs are outputted as a gif images there
>> which is harder to grab/parse, since you need OCR to do so).
>>
>> Comments?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ken Stubbs [mailto:kstubbs@digitel.net]
>> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 5:29 AM
>> To: Ross Wm. Rader; Registrars@Dnso. Org
>> Subject: Re: [registrars] whois lookup
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I would assume that this kind of behavior I described  would affect ALL
>> registrar's image and would be sanctioned under any proposed registrar
>> "code of conduct" .
>>
>> improper registrar actions towards outside parties (be they their own
>> customers, other registrars customers or registries) can influence
>> outsiders views of our "constituents" and that is of paramount concern
>> to me.
>>
>> I am frankly tired of people using  the improper actions of a few
>> registrars to "paint" all registrars.
>>
>> if we want to have future creditability for our constituency, then we
>> need to be willing to "step up to the plate" and deal difficult issues
>> like this which affect our respective business image..
>>
>> any registrar who uses improper & unethical  business practices to
>> "advantage" themselves in the marketplace needs to be "strongly
>> sanctioned" and the issues I raise most definitely fall within this area.
>>
>> ken stubbs
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ross Wm. Rader" <ross@tucows.com>
>> To: "Ken Stubbs" <kstubbs@digitel.net>; "Bhavin Turakhia"
>> <bhavin.t@directi.com>; "Registrars@Dnso. Org" <registrars@dnso.org>
>> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 8:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: [registrars] whois lookup
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > > how do you suggest we deal with registrars who intentionally data
>> > > mine
>> the
>> > > "thick registries "
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ken stubbs
>> >
>> > That's a problem for the registries to deal with. Let us instead
>> > concern ourselves with data mining of registrars under the thin
>> > model...each of us are directly effected...
>> >
>> > -rwr
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>



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