RE: [registrars] Auto-Renew v. Auto-Delete

["Michael D. Palage" <michael@palage.com>]

Elliot:

I did think about the words "grace period". However, the first thought that
came to my mind is ADDITIONAL FEES. The grace period is not going to be
free, in fact it is likely to be set at a highly level to protect against
potential abuse. Therefore, why should I have to pay additional fees for a
redemption grace period renewal or feel compelled to purchase a WLS
subscription as insurance, when I can chose to use a registrar that utilizes
the 45 days grace period. This is an important feature that I would use in
selecting a registrar.

The change you seek in payment policy is totally within your control today,
by just deleting the domain name after the auto-renewal.

A little help from another registrar would be greatly appreciated because I
feel that I am missing something here.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Elliot Noss [mailto:enoss@tucows.com]
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 1:09 AM
To: 'Michael D. Palage'; registrars@dnso.org
Subject: RE: [registrars] Auto-Renew v. Auto-Delete


Michael:

Both the renewal grace period and the redemption grace period would have
protected you in your case. The issue, again, is with the registry
charging us presumptively during this grace period.

Think about the words "grace period". Clearly they connote a period of
grace given to the existing registrant on the existing term of
registration. These grace periods are appropriate and the ONLY issue is
when the registry charges registrars for a renewal. Clearly, this should
be when an actual renewal takes place.

The only thing I am advocating for is a change in payment policy. Full
stop.

And now, to bed.

Regards



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org] On
Behalf Of Michael D. Palage
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 12:13 AM
To: registrars@dnso.org
Subject: [registrars] Auto-Renew v. Auto-Delete

Elliot/Bruce:

Wearing my registrant hat. I would have lost palage.com if the
auto-delete
policy as you advocate was in place. Despite my attempts to correct and
transfer my domain name, it was not done in a timely fashion due to
complication by my registrar of record. The 45 day window probably saved
my
a significant amount of grief.

Wearing my registrar hat. The ability to control your float is totally
within in your discretion since you can delete the domain name at
expiration. I know that several registrars with corporate clients use
this
45 day window to verify the customers intent and minimize potential
liability. As a large scale registrar, the potential risks/liabilities
associated with a 45 day float in connection with a million plus names
is
considerable, and may outweigh the benefits of accidental deletions.
However, the risk benefit analysis may not be the same for a small to
mid-size registrar with a small portfolio.

Regarding, Bruce's concern about an uniform delete policy. I believe
this is
an important objective but not one that subject registrars to potential
legal liability by having an auto-delete policy. I think there should be
other potential solutions to an uniform delete policy.

Mike





-----Original Message-----
From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
Behalf Of Bruce Tonkin
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:38 PM
To: 'Elliot Noss'; Rob Hall; David Wascher
Cc: registrars@dnso.org
Subject: RE: [registrars] Re: Registrars Collecting on Multi-Year
Registrations


>
>
> We need all remember that we are currently pushing the
> Verisign registry to
> change the auto-renew policy to an auto-delete/explicit renew
> which would
> free up significant dollars for all of us that currently gets
> tied up in
> maintaining an unnecessarily high float with the registry.
>

Melbourne IT supports this principle.  It also has the benefit of better
uniformity in delete procedures.
It is used in the new ".au" registry.

Regards,
Bruce Tonkin
>