RE: [registrars] Auto-Renew v. Auto-Delete
Michael, If I understand this all correctly, what Eliot and Bruce are suggesting is that the 45 day grace period stays in tact, during which the domain is not yet made available for registration, but the registrar is not yet charged anything. If the registrar does not explicitly renew the domain before the 45 days are up it is released. The registrar is only charged when/if the explicit renewal takes place. If that's what we're talking about then I don't see what the problem is, especially once the Redemption Grace Period is in place. We've been watching the float we need growing month by month and we haven't even gotten to our first 2 year renewals. Tim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [registrars] Auto-Renew v. Auto-Delete From: "Michael D. Palage" <michael@palage.com> Date: Thu, September 5, 2002 10:43 pm To: <registrars@dnso.org> Elliot: I did think about the words "grace period". However, the first thought that came to my mind is ADDITIONAL FEES. The grace period is not going to be free, in fact it is likely to be set at a highly level to protect against potential abuse. Therefore, why should I have to pay additional fees for a redemption grace period renewal or feel compelled to purchase a WLS subscription as insurance, when I can chose to use a registrar that utilizes the 45 days grace period. This is an important feature that I would use in selecting a registrar. The change you seek in payment policy is totally within your control today, by just deleting the domain name after the auto-renewal. A little help from another registrar would be greatly appreciated because I feel that I am missing something here. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Elliot Noss [mailto:enoss@tucows.com] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 1:09 AM To: 'Michael D. Palage'; registrars@dnso.org Subject: RE: [registrars] Auto-Renew v. Auto-Delete Michael: Both the renewal grace period and the redemption grace period would have protected you in your case. The issue, again, is with the registry charging us presumptively during this grace period. Think about the words "grace period". Clearly they connote a period of grace given to the existing registrant on the existing term of registration. These grace periods are appropriate and the ONLY issue is when the registry charges registrars for a renewal. Clearly, this should be when an actual renewal takes place. The only thing I am advocating for is a change in payment policy. Full stop. And now, to bed. Regards -----Original Message----- From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org] On Behalf Of Michael D. Palage Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 12:13 AM To: registrars@dnso.org Subject: [registrars] Auto-Renew v. Auto-Delete Elliot/Bruce: Wearing my registrant hat. I would have lost palage.com if the auto-delete policy as you advocate was in place. Despite my attempts to correct and transfer my domain name, it was not done in a timely fashion due to complication by my registrar of record. The 45 day window probably saved my a significant amount of grief. Wearing my registrar hat. The ability to control your float is totally within in your discretion since you can delete the domain name at expiration. I know that several registrars with corporate clients use this 45 day window to verify the customers intent and minimize potential liability. As a large scale registrar, the potential risks/liabilities associated with a 45 day float in connection with a million plus names is considerable, and may outweigh the benefits of accidental deletions. However, the risk benefit analysis may not be the same for a small to mid-size registrar with a small portfolio. Regarding, Bruce's concern about an uniform delete policy. I believe this is an important objective but not one that subject registrars to potential legal liability by having an auto-delete policy. I think there should be other potential solutions to an uniform delete policy. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On Behalf Of Bruce Tonkin Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:38 PM To: 'Elliot Noss'; Rob Hall; David Wascher Cc: registrars@dnso.org Subject: RE: [registrars] Re: Registrars Collecting on Multi-Year Registrations > > > We need all remember that we are currently pushing the > Verisign registry to > change the auto-renew policy to an auto-delete/explicit renew > which would > free up significant dollars for all of us that currently gets > tied up in > maintaining an unnecessarily high float with the registry. > Melbourne IT supports this principle. It also has the benefit of better uniformity in delete procedures. It is used in the new ".au" registry. Regards, Bruce Tonkin
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