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RE: [registrars] Auto-Renew v. Auto-Delete
Thanks
Tim,
This
helped a lot in clearing up my perceived misunderstanding. However, if you read
my most recent post, Pandora's Box, I believe VeriSign is likely to just say no.
Based upon the huge sums of money that VeriSign Registry is sitting on, I
just do not see them being magnanimous. If we were to try to mandate an
ICANN policy, I would bet the house VeriSign Registry is likely to say that they
relied upon this float in arriving at their $6 dollar price. Thus if payment
terms were changed by ICANN policy, VeriSign Registry could request a fee
increase.
As I
stated hopefully I am wrong, and Chuck Gomes will send me an email telling me
VeriSign Registry will agree to waive the fees during the 45 day grace period (I
copied him on this email). However, I would not hold my breath believing that
VeriSign Registry is just going to throw a huge financial bone to us
registrars.
Mike
Michael,
If I understand this all
correctly, what Eliot and Bruce are suggesting is that the 45 day grace period
stays in tact, during which the domain is not yet made available for
registration, but the registrar is not yet charged anything. If the registrar
does not explicitly renew the domain before the 45 days are up it is released.
The registrar is only charged when/if the explicit renewal takes
place.
If that's what we're talking about then I don't see
what the problem is, especially once the Redemption Grace Period is in place.
We've been watching the float we need growing month by month and we haven't
even gotten to our first 2 year renewals.
Tim
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Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [registrars] Auto-Renew v.
Auto-Delete
From: "Michael D. Palage" <michael@palage.com>
Date:
Thu, September 5, 2002 10:43 pm
To:
<registrars@dnso.org>
Elliot:
I did think about the words
"grace period". However, the first thought
that came to my mind is
ADDITIONAL FEES. The grace period is not going
to be free, in fact it is
likely to be set at a highly level to
protect against potential abuse.
Therefore, why should I have to pay
additional fees for a redemption grace
period renewal or feel
compelled to purchase a WLS subscription as
insurance, when I can
chose to use a registrar that utilizes the 45 days
grace period. This
is an important feature that I would use in selecting a
registrar.
The change you seek in payment policy is totally within your
control
today, by just deleting the domain name after the
auto-renewal.
A little help from another registrar would be greatly
appreciated
because I feel that I am missing something
here.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Elliot Noss
[mailto:enoss@tucows.com]
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 1:09 AM
To:
'Michael D. Palage'; registrars@dnso.org
Subject: RE: [registrars]
Auto-Renew v. Auto-Delete
Michael:
Both the renewal grace
period and the redemption grace period would
have protected you in your
case. The issue, again, is with the
registry charging us presumptively
during this grace period.
Think about the words "grace period". Clearly
they connote a period of
grace given to the existing registrant on the
existing term of
registration. These grace periods are appropriate and the
ONLY issue
is when the registry charges registrars for a renewal. Clearly,
this
should be when an actual renewal takes place.
The only thing I
am advocating for is a change in payment policy. Full
stop.
And now,
to bed.
Regards
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org] On
Behalf Of
Michael D. Palage
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 12:13 AM
To:
registrars@dnso.org
Subject: [registrars] Auto-Renew v.
Auto-Delete
Elliot/Bruce:
Wearing my registrant hat. I would
have lost palage.com if the
auto-delete
policy as you advocate was in
place. Despite my attempts to correct
and transfer my domain name, it was
not done in a timely fashion due
to complication by my registrar of record.
The 45 day window probably
saved my
a significant amount of
grief.
Wearing my registrar hat. The ability to control your float is
totally
within in your discretion since you can delete the domain name
at
expiration. I know that several registrars with corporate clients
use
this
45 day window to verify the customers intent and minimize
potential
liability. As a large scale registrar, the potential
risks/liabilities
associated with a 45 day float in connection with a
million plus names
is
considerable, and may outweigh the benefits of
accidental deletions.
However, the risk benefit analysis may not be the
same for a small to
mid-size registrar with a small
portfolio.
Regarding, Bruce's concern about an uniform delete policy. I
believe
this is
an important objective but not one that subject
registrars to
potential legal liability by having an auto-delete policy. I
think
there should be other potential solutions to an uniform delete
policy.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
Behalf Of
Bruce Tonkin
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:38 PM
To: 'Elliot
Noss'; Rob Hall; David Wascher
Cc: registrars@dnso.org
Subject: RE:
[registrars] Re: Registrars Collecting on
Multi-Year
Registrations
>
>
> We need all
remember that we are currently pushing the
> Verisign registry
to
> change the auto-renew policy to an auto-delete/explicit
renew
> which would
> free up significant dollars for all of us
that currently gets
> tied up in
> maintaining an unnecessarily
high float with the registry.
>
Melbourne IT supports this
principle. It also has the benefit of
better uniformity in delete
procedures.
It is used in the new ".au" registry.
Regards,
Bruce
Tonkin
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