Re: [registrars] Use of proxies for WHOIS entries and impact on transfer policy

["Edmon Chung" <edmon@neteka.com>]

Perhaps the easiest way is just for the registrar to allow the registrant to
choose what information to be publicly available in the WHOIS...  Perhaps
also to set some mandatory information (such as name/company)and then some
optional for display (such as email/phone/etc.).  The registrar however will
maintain all the contact information.
In fact the new system we deployed for the SGNIC operations already allow
this.  On one hand, privacy is maintained, on the other hand, registrars
and/or the registry maintains definitive contact data.
Edmon



----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Chaffin" <tchaffin@stargateinc.com>
To: <registrars@dnso.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 1:54 PM
Subject: RE: [registrars] Use of proxies for WHOIS entries and impact on
transfer policy


> Correct me if I am wrong or I have missed a post, but doesn't proxied
whois
> information violate a number items under "section 3. REGISTRAR
OBLIGATIONS"
> of the RAA.
>
> Has ICANN commented on this type of service?
>
> Tom
>
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
> Behalf Of Tim Ruiz
>   Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:11 AM
>   To: ross@tucows.com
>   Cc: Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au; registrars@dnso.org
>   Subject: Re: [registrars] Use of proxies for WHOIS entries and impact on
> transfer policy
>
>
>   Why is anything broken? The proxy would no doubt have this covered with
> the party involved. It is between them. As registrars, we deal with the
> registrant and admin contact of record, period. If we begin to get
concerned
> with what other contractual arrangements may or may not exist, we are
going
> get to bogged down with a bunch of red tape that just isn't necessary.
>
>   This policy should be a set of business rules, not a mechanism to
attempt
> to steer us into one particular business model or another. At least that
is
> my HO.
>
>   Tim
>   -------- Original Message --------
>   Subject: Re: [registrars] Use of proxies for WHOIS entries and impact on
> transfer policy
>   From: "Ross Wm. Rader" <ross@tucows.com>
>   Date: Tue, September 24, 2002 6:00 pm
>   To: "Bruce Tonkin" <Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au>,
> <registrars@dnso.org>
>
>   Bruce gets the prize for finding the first significant loophole in the
>   policy. :)
>
>   You are indeed correct Bruce. Proxied information breaks this
>   requirement...
>
>   "The Administrative Contact and the Registrant, as outlined in the
>   Losing Registrar's publicly accessible Whois service have the sole
>   authority to approve or deny a transfer request to the Gaining
>   Registrar. In all cases, the wishes of the Registrant supercede those
>   of the Administrative Contact."
>
>   This creates a hole large enough to drive a permanent NACK through...
>
>   (these are the relevant definitions from the doc...)
>
>   Contact, Administrative: The administrative contact is an individual,
>   role or organization authorized to interact with the registry or
>   registrar on behalf of the Domain Holder. The administrative contact
>   should be able to answer non-technical questions about the domain
>   name's registration and the Domain Holder. In all cases, the
>   Administrative Contact is viewed as the authoritative point of contact
>   for the domain name, second only to the Domain Holder.
>
>   Domain Holder (Registrant): The individual or organization that
>   registers a specific domain name. This individual or organization
>   holds the right to use that specific domain name for a specified
>   period of time, provided certain conditions are met and the
>   registration fees are paid. This person or organization is the "legal
>   entity" bound by the terms of the relevant service agreement with the
>   registry operator for the TLD in question.
>
>   Any proposals as to how we can best fix this? I will forward
>   substantive input to the TF.
>
>
>   Thanks,
>
>
>   -rwr
>
>
>
>
>   Got Blog? http://www.byte.org/blog
>
>   "People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of
>   thought which they seldom use."
>   - Soren Kierkegaard
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Bruce Tonkin" <Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au>
>   To: <registrars@dnso.org>
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 8:37 PM
>   Subject: [registrars] Use of proxies for WHOIS entries and impact on
>   transfer policy
>
>
>   > Hello All,
>   >
>   > I can see the merits in using proxies to help fight against
>   > unsolicited marketing.
>   >
>   > However it has the potential to break part of the proposed transfers
>   > process.
>   >
>   > e.g if a registrar acts as the admin contact, it would make it
>   > difficult
>   for
>   > a gaining registrar to confirm the transfer with the registrant.
>   >
>   > In such a situation the registry might need to maintain centrally a
>   contact
>   > for the actual registrant, and accredited registrars could retrieve
>   > that contact for the purpose of a authenticating a transfer request.
>   >
>   > Regards,
>   > Bruce
>
>
>