RE: [registrars] Washington Meeting - Draft Agenda

["Ross Wm. Rader" <ross@tucows.com>]

Non-member participation diminishes the time that members available.

I don't have a strong position either way, but simply note one of the
negatives of allowing non-members to actively participate.



                       -rwr




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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-registrars@dnso.org 
> [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org] On Behalf Of Rick Wesson
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 12:42 PM
> To: Michael D. Palage
> Cc: Rob Hall; registrars@dnso.org
> Subject: RE: [registrars] Washington Meeting - Draft Agenda 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mike,
> 
> will only paid members be able to sit "at the table" or can 
> any accredited registrar participate? Since all voting now 
> takes place over the net, is there a reason to prohibit 
> non-member participation?
> 
> -rick
> 
> 
> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Michael D. Palage wrote:
> 
> > Rob,
> >
> > I will get that information together and pass it along shortly. 
> > However, in light of the new registrar voting software we have been 
> > using I do not think that any binding votes will take place in DC 
> > since we cannot guarantee that our entire membership will be 
> > available. The purpose of the meeting is to foster a discussion on 
> > some complex problems and move forward with potential 
> solutions. The 
> > fact that we will be able to interact with registries on 
> some of these 
> > complex problems that impact both of our businesses I believe is 
> > another positive step forward in the maturity of this fledgling 
> > industry.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rob Hall [mailto:rob@momentous.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 12:21 PM
> > > To: Michael D. Palage; registrars@dnso.org
> > > Subject: RE: [registrars] Washington Meeting - Draft Agenda
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > In preparation for the meeting, will you be posting a 
> list of those 
> > > members who have paid their dues and thus have full 
> voting rights.  
> > > I know in the past, some Registrars have been surprised that they 
> > > were not current because
> > > of things like writing their cheque to ICANN etc.
> > >
> > > Rob.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-registrars@dnso.org 
> [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
> > > Behalf Of Michael D. Palage
> > > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:36 AM
> > > To: registrars@dnso.org
> > > Subject: [registrars] Washington Meeting - Draft Agenda
> > > Importance: High
> > >
> > >
> > > Listed below is the draft agenda of the 
> Registrar/Registry meeting 
> > > scheduled for next Friday February 21st in Washington, DC. I have 
> > > compiled this agenda
> > > based upon various inputs from registrars over the past couple of
> > > weeks. If
> > > there are any other suggestions please bring them to my 
> attention. Any
> > > issues that can not be addressed during this meeting will 
> be followed up
> > > during the Rio meeting scheduled for March.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > 8:15 - 8:30 (closed session Registrars only) State of the 
> > > Constituency
> > >
> > > This will be a brief introduction of registrars in 
> attendance along 
> > > with a roll-call of currently paid members with full 
> voting rights.
> > >
> > >
> > > 8:30 - 9:30 (closed session Registrars only) By-law Discussion
> > >
> > > There will be a discussion of the new Registrar 
> Constituency by-laws 
> > > that must be submitted and approved by ICANN. In light of 
> the ICANN 
> > > reform which no longer requires the constituency to pay for its 
> > > Names Council representatives, the constituency is at a 
> cross roads 
> > > for where it would like to go. Currently we have in excess of 
> > > $20,000 on account with only $10,000 of expensed committed so far 
> > > ($2,500 DC meeting, $5,000 ICANN fees (last payment), and $2,500 
> > > registrar software). To date the registrar constituency has 
> > > collected no dues for 2003.
> > >
> > > Moving forward the registrar constituency needs to decide 
> whether it 
> > > would like to continue to operate in a low cost environment or 
> > > whether it would like to become more like a professional trade 
> > > association. In the past I have personally opposed retaining paid 
> > > staff, incorporating, etc. However, there have been several 
> > > registrars that have raised these possibilities with me 
> again and I 
> > > think it would be beneficial to discuss the merits of 
> these options.
> > >
> > > Also for discussion during this session will be the 
> proposal made by 
> > > Ross in connection with membership participation and Tom in 
> > > connection with a policy
> > > framework for raising and advancing policy issues within 
> the constituency.
> > >
> > > 9:30 - 9:55 Consideration for Registration Authorities Conducting 
> > > Business in the European Union (open registrars/registry)
> > >
> > > I attended a workshop in Berlin, Germany last week and 
> there were a 
> > > number of panels dealing with issues that directly impact all 
> > > registrars conducting business within the European Union. 
> I will try 
> > > to provide a brief summary of
> > > these laws and how they potentially impact your business 
> if you transact
> > > business with individuals and/or businesses in the EU.
> > >
> > > - Effective July 1, 2003 non-EU registrars must start 
> charging Value 
> > > Added Tax (VAT) to all transactions with consumers in the EU. 
> > > Current EU VAT rates range from 13% to 25%. In addition 
> registrars 
> > > must register with a tax authortity in one of the EU 
> member states.
> > > - EU Directive 95/46/EC: deals with data privacy laws that are
> > > currently in
> > > effect.
> > > - EU Directive 02/58/EC; This directive goes into effect 
> October 2003 and
> > > provides additional e-commerce regulation including among 
> other things the
> > > use of "cookies" on websites;
> > >
> > >
> > > 9:55 - 10:15 Review and Summary of FTC Workshop on Cross Border 
> > > Fraud (open
> > > registrars/registry)
> > >
> > > This will provide a brief summary of the two day work 
> shop on cross 
> > > border fraud. A number of registrars have stated that 
> they will not 
> > > be able to attend the workshop. The key focus will be on 
> credit card 
> > > and whois issues.
> > >
> > >
> > > 10:15 - 11:00 Credit Card Charge Backs (open registrar/registry)
> > >
> > > This will be a discussion among the participants to discuss the 
> > > impact of credit card fraud within the domain name registration 
> > > industry and what if any steps can be taken among registration 
> > > authorities (registrars and
> > > registries) to mitigate this problem.
> > >
> > > 11:00 - 12:00 Update on the Whois Task Force
> > >
> > > This will be an update on the ICANN Whois Task Force 
> final report, 
> > > and how it potentially impacts registrars. Bruce Tonkin's 
> proposal 
> > > will also be discussed at this time and how it should be 
> > > incorporated into any implementation policy. I have also 
> learned a 
> > > rumor that Senator Burn's is considering introducing a Spam bill 
> > > that will have a provision providing third parties a 
> cause of action 
> > > against people that provide false or inaccurate whois 
> information. I 
> > > am trying to obtain a mark-up of this draft legislation since it 
> > > could potentially impacts all registrations authorities.
> > >
> > > 12:30 - 1:30 Catered Lunch (Registrars and Registries)
> > >
> > >
> > > 1:30- 2:30 Transfers
> > >
> > > Ross will provide the latest update on the transfer 
> implementation 
> > > work.
> > >
> > > 2:30 - 3:00 Auto Delete
> > >
> > > Tim Ruiz will provide an update on the auto-delete task 
> force, and 
> > > we will collectively try to identify any potential bugs 
> to prevent 
> > > the RGP billing bug from reoccurring.
> > >
> > > 3:00 - 3:30 Redemption Grace Period
> > >
> > > Registrars and registries will try to discuss the problems 
> > > encountered by registrars with the RGP, and see if there is a 
> > > mutually acceptable framework for modifying the current 
> policy and 
> > > reinstating the 5 day non-billable grace period.
> > >
> > > 3:30 - 4:00 IDN Primer
> > >
> > > Andrew McLaughlin gave an excellent non-technical primer 
> on IDNs to 
> > > illustrate the potential complex policy issues 
> surrounding IDNs. I 
> > > am trying to obtain a copy of these slides to use in during this 
> > > time slot.
> > >
> > > 4:00 - 5:30 Registry Presentations
> > >
> > > A number of registries that are co-sponsoring this event have 
> > > various technical updates that they want to provide to 
> registrars, 
> > > i.e. RegistryPro is preparing for launch, PIR will be 
> switching over 
> > > to a thick EPP 7.0 version; NeuStar has some updates on 
> .CN and .US; 
> > > VeriSign has some new market research that it would like to share.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To date I have had approximately 20 registrar 
> participants confirm 
> > > there participation and approximately 10 registry 
> participants. The 
> > > hotel has extended the time period to receive the discount room 
> > > rate. I would encourage all to take advantage of this 
> rate which is 
> > > around $100 a night cheaper than other hotels.
> > >
> > > Any questions let me know.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
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