[registrars] RE: Credit Card Proposal

["Michael D. Palage" <michael@palage.com>]

Michael,

Thanks for this input, I have been collective information from registrars
and this is the one type of fraud I have been trying to document. The other
fraud I see is where a series of registrars will be hit up simultaneously, I
have seen credit card charge back statements with a whos who of ICANN
accredited registrars and resellers listed.

If you could share this information with me off-line and redacted, I will
include it in a compilation of material that I will be providing to the FTC.
The fact that someone waits till the last minute raises my suspicion level.

One of the issues that Tim at GoDaddy raised, and which I supported, was the
need for a lock down in connection with transfers to prevent a fraudster
from transferring names and racking up domain name years with stolen credit
cards. I still submit that a similar 60 day lock down on initial
registrations to prevent fraud should also apply to transfers to prevent
similar fraud, absent extenuating circumstances. Unfortunately, Tim and I
lost this battle :-)

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Brody [mailto:mbrody@tldsystems.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 3:47 PM
> To: Michael D. Palage
> Cc: ross@tucows.com; 'Robert F. Connelly'; 'Registrar Constituency'
> Subject: Re: Credit Card Proposal
>
>
> I hate to muddy the issue here but there is an aspect of cc fraud that we
> might be able to address within ourselves.
>
> The people who commit credit card frud have become more
> sophisticated.  We
> have had instances where a domain was registered with a fradulent card.
> Aproximately 45 days after the registration we get notice from
> the credit.
> When we confirm that this is indeed a legitmate chargeback and not an end
> user error we then attempt to place the domain on hold.
>
> At that time we find out that the domain has been transferred to another
> registrar.  Calls to the 'gaining' registrar have been met with
> little to no
> support.
>
> If we were to put a system in place to work together on issues
> such as these
> we might be able to at least partially address the credit card
> fraud problem
> for issues of this nature.
>
> Michael
>