RE: [registrars] RE: Credit Card Proposal

["Elliot Noss" <enoss@tucows.com>]

Michael P:

Could you please provide us all with a copy of the information you are
providing to the FTC? It sounds very useful. Thanks in advance.

Regards

Elliot Noss
Tucows inc.
416-538-5494

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
> Behalf Of Michael D. Palage
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 3:54 PM
> To: Michael Brody
> Cc: ross@tucows.com; 'Robert F. Connelly'; 'Registrar Constituency'
> Subject: [registrars] RE: Credit Card Proposal
>
>
> Michael,
>
> Thanks for this input, I have been collective information from registrars
> and this is the one type of fraud I have been trying to document.
> The other
> fraud I see is where a series of registrars will be hit up
> simultaneously, I
> have seen credit card charge back statements with a whos who of ICANN
> accredited registrars and resellers listed.
>
> If you could share this information with me off-line and redacted, I will
> include it in a compilation of material that I will be providing
> to the FTC.
> The fact that someone waits till the last minute raises my
> suspicion level.
>
> One of the issues that Tim at GoDaddy raised, and which I
> supported, was the
> need for a lock down in connection with transfers to prevent a fraudster
> from transferring names and racking up domain name years with
> stolen credit
> cards. I still submit that a similar 60 day lock down on initial
> registrations to prevent fraud should also apply to transfers to prevent
> similar fraud, absent extenuating circumstances. Unfortunately, Tim and I
> lost this battle :-)
>
> Mike
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Brody [mailto:mbrody@tldsystems.com]
> > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 3:47 PM
> > To: Michael D. Palage
> > Cc: ross@tucows.com; 'Robert F. Connelly'; 'Registrar Constituency'
> > Subject: Re: Credit Card Proposal
> >
> >
> > I hate to muddy the issue here but there is an aspect of cc
> fraud that we
> > might be able to address within ourselves.
> >
> > The people who commit credit card frud have become more
> > sophisticated.  We
> > have had instances where a domain was registered with a fradulent card.
> > Aproximately 45 days after the registration we get notice from
> > the credit.
> > When we confirm that this is indeed a legitmate chargeback and
> not an end
> > user error we then attempt to place the domain on hold.
> >
> > At that time we find out that the domain has been transferred to another
> > registrar.  Calls to the 'gaining' registrar have been met with
> > little to no
> > support.
> >
> > If we were to put a system in place to work together on issues
> > such as these
> > we might be able to at least partially address the credit card
> > fraud problem
> > for issues of this nature.
> >
> > Michael
> >
>