RE: [registrars] Re: Credit Card Proposal

[Rick Wesson <wessorh@ar.com>]

Mike,

we have very different perspectives on the purpose and outcome of the FTC
meeting. My read of it was that the FTC wants a shortcut (with out supena)
to access of whois data. The FTC meeting was not about credit card fraud,
it was about "fraudsters" who sell bogus claims on internet sites.

In my conversations with the CC companies whey are in no position to share
information to reduce credit card fraud.

We did hear about two organizations (phone busters comes to mind) where
organizations shared information industry wide to prevent fraud. If you
believe that is a problem with sharing information within the industry
could you post either a description or a reference to the statutes, eluding
to problems only creates FUD.

-rick


On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Michael D. Palage wrote:

> Lynn,
>
> We must be very careful about how we share this information. There are legal
> pitfalls (statutes) that I have been told about which I do not fully
> appreciate just yet. Hopefully we could get the FTC to work with us in
> combating fraud by collecting this information.
>
> Mike
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joyce Lin [mailto:joyce@007names.com]
> > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 4:11 PM
> > To: Michael Brody; Michael D. Palage
> > Cc: ross@tucows.com; 'Robert F. Connelly'; 'Registrar Constituency'
> > Subject: Re: [registrars] Re: Credit Card Proposal
> >
> >
> > We should have a web page where we registrars can login to post
> > and view all
> > the domain names registered with stolen cards and may be with the
> > first and
> > last four digits of the card being used.  Once we have the list,
> > we will be
> > alerted if the name shows up again for registration or transfer.  Good
> > thinking, Rick.
> >
> > Joyce
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Brody" <mbrody@tldsystems.com>
> > To: "Michael D. Palage" <michael@palage.com>
> > Cc: <ross@tucows.com>; "'Robert F. Connelly'" <rconnell@psi-japan.com>;
> > "'Registrar Constituency'" <registrars@dnso.org>
> > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 3:47 PM
> > Subject: [registrars] Re: Credit Card Proposal
> >
> >
> > > I hate to muddy the issue here but there is an aspect of cc
> > fraud that we
> > > might be able to address within ourselves.
> > >
> > > The people who commit credit card frud have become more
> > sophisticated.  We
> > > have had instances where a domain was registered with a fradulent card.
> > > Aproximately 45 days after the registration we get notice from
> > the credit.
> > > When we confirm that this is indeed a legitmate chargeback and
> > not an end
> > > user error we then attempt to place the domain on hold.
> > >
> > > At that time we find out that the domain has been transferred to another
> > > registrar.  Calls to the 'gaining' registrar have been met with
> > little to
> > no
> > > support.
> > >
> > > If we were to put a system in place to work together on issues such as
> > these
> > > we might be able to at least partially address the credit card fraud
> > problem
> > > for issues of this nature.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> >
>