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Re: Addition of Joe Sims to Participants Mailing List
- Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:56:23 -0800
- From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer@mhsc.com>
- Subject: Re: Addition of Joe Sims to Participants Mailing List
Hello Robert Shaw,
Greetings and good cheer, sir.
At 01:26 PM 12/17/98 , Robert Shaw wrote:
>Folks,
>
>Please remove me from these exchanges - I'm not
interested.
>
>It seems that some of you have completely lost perspective
on
>what you should be doing.
>
>You have a choice.
>
>Have completely open lists and have any possbility of real
work
>being done on them destroyed while you're buried in
nonsense
>traffic. Examples abound.
Yes sir, examples abound to cite both cases as being either failures
or unmitigated successes. Considering your history and track-record on
these matters, I am not surprised by your position. You have just
succeeded in measuring out to your reputation.
Your closed-process structure , while more regular and predictible,
also fails to create the consensus required for acceptance. An open
process, such as the IFWP success, while a bit more chaotic, succeeds
wildly in garnering such consensus. The evidence is plentiful and
conclusive. While it may be true that some compromised hybrid of these
two polar opposites may yield much success, you would not even try them
and would rather throw the weight of your opinion towards a polarized
view and discount the one you, personally, don't believe in.
>Have some closed lists where you make some judgement calls about
>who should be on them and do some real serious forward-moving
work.
>
>It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that people
like
>ICANN's external counsel can be of assistance and some guidance
>to you. If some of you can't see that then I don't there is much
>hope for you.
You fail unto this day to grasp the import of these proceedings. The
White Paper specifically calls for consensus on ICANN. By implication, it
also calls for consensus on the various SO's. It is the measure of the
failure of such consensus that the ICANN FAILED to garner the requisite
support from the USG and is now in a two-year probationary period. During
this time, it is highly likely that, should an organization which does
have the consensus support of the various Internet stakeholders appear,
that organization may very well push ICANN into the darkness it likes to
work in and the USG will recognise the new body rather than the ICANN. In
that event, a DNSO, derived by closed-session practices and lacking
consensus themselves, will most assuredly pass into the darkness with
them.
In short, the closed-process model has not only been shown to be a
failure, but is actively disliked by the present delegator of any
authority on the Internet, the US Government.
>Nor that if certain people who for whatever reason would like to
see
>you fail in your efforts can be brought into the work and
collaborate
>with you then that is a good thing.
For myself, and many others in the ORSC, we would like to see ICANN
and the DNSO succeed, but only under the proper conditions. There seems
to be universal consensus on one thing, if nothing else, the desire for a
fair, above-board, and OPEN, process. I have stated this to the ICANN
BoD, and the DNSO. Stef has also made similar pleas. It may take a little
longer, but the results are well worth the effort.
Your call for a closed process is directly counter to the consensus.
I plead with you to re-consider your request and to re-join the
consensus.
Happy Holidays.
Sincerely
_________________________________________________
Morgan Hill Software
Company, Inc.
Roeland M.J. Meyer, ISOC
(RM993)
President and CEO.
e-mail: mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com
Web-pages: http://www.mhsc.com/~rmeyer
Web-site: http://www.mhsc.com
Colorado Springs, CO - Livermore, CA
- Morgan Hill, CA
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