Re: [dnso.discuss] Re: do we want to have constituency meetings in singapore next month?

[Michael Sondow <msondow@iciiu.org>]

Esther Dyson a écrit:
> 
> Maybe there should be a meeting *about* constituencies, as opposed to
> necessarily *of* constituencies.

That will undoubtedly be one of the points discussed in any DNSO
meeting that is held.

> Even the Paris draft suggests that there will be constituencies, just that
> they will not be pre-defined

All the difference in the world. The WMB draft uses pre-defined
constituencies to exclude people from the membership (those who
aren't members of some other DNS-related organization) and give
certain organizations (those with trademarked brand-names) an
excessive weight on the Names Council, which it then exalts into an
independent policy-making organization within the DNSO.

Kilnam Chon is simply confused, I think. Having been a participant
in long and heated discussions at Monterrey and elsewhere about
constituencies, he probably accepts them as a matter of course. But
he should realize that a meeting of anything that smacks of
exclusionary "constituencies" is anathema to an international
meeting to discuss the formation of a DNSO.  


> "Members of the General Assembly shall self-organize into diverse
> constituencies. No member shall be a member of more than one constituency. The
> initial constituencies shall be recognized by the ICANN Board based on the
> following criteria: ....."
> 
> Esther
> 
> At 03:00 PM 13/02/99 -0800, Ellen Rony wrote:
> >Well, since you asked, my short answer is NO.
> >
> >Kilnam Chon wrote:
> >> our question/suggestion is "do we want to hold preliminary DNSO constituency
> >> meetings on 1999.3.4?" if we do, then some constituencies would meet in the
> >> morning or afternoon in parallel on 1999.3.4.  For example,
> >>
> >>         Morning                 Afternoon
> >>
> >>         ISP & Connectivity      Business
> >>         Registry                Registrar
> >>         Trademark               Non-commercial
> >
> >This idea smacks of hubris -- deja vu all over again for those who watched
> >the IAHC/CORE/PAC/PAB debacle.
> >
> >ICANN has NOT annointed any DNSO, and the TWO proposals submitted on
> >February4 and 5 differ on the issue of constituencies.
> >
> >Unless you are wedded to a zero-sum game, the prudent course would be to
> >use the Singapore time to discuss the constituency issue among proponents
> >of BOTH proposals.  Frankly, I think you have to figure out how you
> >identify and validate DNSO membership before you decide how or whether to
> >splinter it up into constituencies.
> >
> >And by the way, let me say AGAIN that
> >*  trademark and business are both commercial constituencies
> >*  registry, registrar and ISP/Connectivity are all infrastructure
> >constituencies
> >
> >The DNSO.ORG proposal groups non-commercial uses of the Internet
> >(education, public advocacy, religious, personal, non profit) into ONE
> >constituency with 3
> >members on the names Council.  5/6 of the representation (15 members of the
> >Names Council) are allotted to operators with a commercial agenda (if
> >registries and registrars are for profit)
> >
> >If there's a separate constituency for trademark owners (which I don't
> >think should occur) then there must be a separate constituency for
> >education.
> >
> >And if registries, registrars and ISPs are each given individual
> >constituencies, then non-profit organizations, educational institutions,
> >public advocacy groups, the religious sector, and personal users would all,
> >likewise, be different constituencies.  And none of this constituency-based
> >approach reflects real percentage use use of the Internet.
> >
> >My point is that this pie has many ways to slice it, which is where I see
> >some intractible differences.  Before you slice the pie, you have to have
> >everyone come to the table.
> >
> >
> >Ellen Rony                                                     Co-author
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> >
> >
> >
> 
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