Re: [dnso.discuss] Re: do we want to have constituency meetings i n singapore next month?

[jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Marilyn and all,

  The concern and question is not what loosely defined or constructed
constituencies MIGHT emerge, Merilyn, but if they should be pre-defined
constituencies as part of any draft bylaws of a DNSO.

Cade,Marilyn S - LGA wrote:

>   It strikes me that we all need to also be realistic about those for whom
> we say we speak.  For instance, to note that there need to be lots of
> constituencies, when many of the groups have to date been relatively
> uninvolved seems to be missing a larger point: that it is critical to ensure
> that there is a process to recognize legitimate groupings when they do
> become engaged, if the existing groups/constituencies do not meet/reflect
> them.
>
> We won't get everything right; let's strive to get it "good", and ensure an
> effective and fair process which lets other groups, when and if they do
> organize, emerge.
>
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> Subject: [dnso.discuss] Re: do we want to have constituency meetings in
> singapore next month?
>
> Ellen and all,
>
>   Ellen's arguments here are quite good and indeed valid.  A such, and has
> been pointed out countless times, defining Constituencies as part of
> a structure of any Draft DNSO proposed bylaws is divisive at best, and
> only leads to one group being disenfranchised to some extent.  Hence
> a FLAT membership is the only open, transparent, and accountable
> "General Assembly" or what have you, membership structure that
> will provide for prevention of capture or disproportionate representation.
>
> Ellen Rony wrote:
>
> Well, since you asked, my short answer is NO.
>
> Kilnam Chon wrote:
> > our question/suggestion is "do we want to hold preliminary DNSO
> constituency
> > meetings on 1999.3.4?" if we do, then some constituencies would meet in
> the
> > morning or afternoon in parallel on 1999.3.4.  For example,
> >
> >         Morning                 Afternoon
> >
> >         ISP & Connectivity      Business
> >         Registry                Registrar
> >         Trademark               Non-commercial
>
> This idea smacks of hubris -- deja vu all over again for those who watched
> the IAHC/CORE/PAC/PAB debacle.
>
> ICANN has NOT annointed any DNSO, and the TWO proposals submitted on
> February4 and 5 differ on the issue of constituencies.
>
> Unless you are wedded to a zero-sum game, the prudent course would be to
> use the Singapore time to discuss the constituency issue among proponents
> of BOTH proposals.  Frankly, I think you have to figure out how you
> identify and validate DNSO membership before you decide how or whether to
> splinter it up into constituencies.
>
> And by the way, let me say AGAIN that
> *  trademark and business are both commercial constituencies
> *  registry, registrar and ISP/Connectivity are all infrastructure
> constituencies
>
> The DNSO.ORG proposal groups non-commercial uses of the Internet
> (education, public advocacy, religious, personal, non profit) into ONE
> constituency with 3
> members on the names Council.  5/6 of the representation (15 members of the
> Names Council) are allotted to operators with a commercial agenda (if
> registries and registrars are for profit)
>
> If there's a separate constituency for trademark owners (which I don't
> think should occur) then there must be a separate constituency for
> education.
>
> And if registries, registrars and ISPs are each given individual
> constituencies, then non-profit organizations, educational institutions,
> public advocacy groups, the religious sector, and personal users would all,
> likewise, be different constituencies.  And none of this constituency-based
> approach reflects real percentage use use of the Internet.
>
> My point is that this pie has many ways to slice it, which is where I see
> some intractible differences.  Before you slice the pie, you have to have
> everyone come to the table.
>
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