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RE: [wg-b] Straw Vote Results

To: "Martin B. Schwimmer" <martys@interport.net>, <wg-b@dnso.org>
Subject: RE: [wg-b] Straw Vote Results
From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer@mhsc.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:19:44 -0700
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19991005135151.00db67c8@pop.interport.net>
Reply-To: <rmeyer@mhsc.com>
Sender: owner-wg-b@dnso.org
I may agree, outside of the vote. However, I'm still having heart-burn
over that little tid-bit you dropped on us earlier tonight. It caused me
to delete an entire section (I hate when that happens<sigh>).

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-wg-b@dnso.org [mailto:owner-wg-b@dnso.org]On Behalf Of
> Martin B. Schwimmer
> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 10:52 AM
> To: wg-b@dnso.org
> Subject: RE: [wg-b] Straw Vote Results
>
>
> By being a UN-chartered organization of experts and by conducting a
> year-long anaylsis of the issue, I think the WIPO report has created a
> prima facie case of being the best approach.   I think that
> prima facie
> case will have to be rebutted with something better than "I
> am against it."
>
> I'm not saying it's critique-proof (I've made criticisms of some its
> proposals on this list), I'm just saying that if we vote not
> to adopt its
> proposals, the onus is on us to explain.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 09:43 AM 10/5/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >Why should the burden of proof reside strictky with Option B voters?
> >That seems one-sided to me. IMHO, the WIPO report is non-binding.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-wg-b@dnso.org [mailto:owner-wg-b@dnso.org]On Behalf Of
> >> Martin B. Schwimmer
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 8:10 AM
> >> To: wg-b@dnso.org
> >> Subject: RE: [wg-b] Straw Vote Results
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Put me down for option A as well.
> >>
> >> I suggest that if voting against a recommendation in the WIPO
> >> report that
> >> the voter provide a rationale for the votes.
> >>
> >> There was a WIPO process.   What do we understand our mandate
> >> to be?  I
> >> don't think it is merely to substitute our own self-selected
> >> vote for that
> >> of WIPO and the several hundred people who put in comments.
> >> I think that
> >> the report should be either a critique of how well-meaning
> >> experts at WIPO
> >> got it wrong (if that's your view) or a method of implementation.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 09:17 AM 10/5/99 +0200, you wrote:
> >> >same for me Ted Shapiro from MPA votes for A. (I note that a
> >> colleague from
> >> >the MPAA voted also-what is the procedure for this?)
> >> >
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: mheltzer [mailto:mheltzer@inta.org]
> >> >Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 11:42 PM
> >> >To: 'd3nnis'; mpalage@infonetworks.com; wg-b@dnso.org
> >> >Subject: RE: [wg-b] Straw Vote Results
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I'm pretty sure I sent mine in, but here it is again -- Mike
> >> Heltzer from
> >> >the International Trademark Association votes for Option A.
> >> Safeguards are
> >> >needed!
> >> >
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: d3nnis [mailto:d3nnis@mciworld.com]
> >> >Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 8:01 AM
> >> >To: mpalage@infonetworks.com; wg-b@dnso.org
> >> >Subject: Re: [wg-b] Straw Vote Results
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Somehow I received copies of all the Option B votes
> >> (addressed to WG-B), but
> >> >none of the A's.
> >> >
> >> >Can anyone explain this?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>Dennis
> >> >
> >> >----------
> >> >> Listed below are the results from the Straw Vote Election.
> >> I was rather
> >> >> disappointed that not everyone voted ( less than half
> >> voted). In order to
> >> >> increase participation in future votes I purpose the
> >> following: if you
> >> >miss
> >> >> two (2) straight votes without good cause you will be
> >> removed from the
> >> >list;
> >> >> increase notification on my behalf to the list about the
> >> vote, any other
> >> >> suggestions?
> >> >>
> >> >> I will be busy conducting the Names Counsel Elections for
> >> the registrar
> >> >> constituency this week. However, I encourage the list to provide
> >> >> constructive comments on the straw vote and make any
> >> suggestions on where
> >> >we
> >> >> should go from here.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike
> >> >>
> >> >> If there are any missed ballots please notify me.
> >> >>
> >> >> DID NOT VOTE: 27
> >> >> OPTION A: 12
> >> >> OPTION B: 9
> >> >> ABSTAIN : 0
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Jonathan Cohen" drvcarrington@echelon.ca - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Bill Barber" bbarber@awd.com - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Mike Heltzer" mheltzer@inta.org - OPTION A
> >> >> "Kathy Kleiman" kathrynkl@aol.com - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Randy Bush" randy@psg.com - OPTION B
> >> >> "Tod Cohen" tcohen@mpaa.org - OPTION A
> >> >> "Alberto R. Berton Moreno Jr." law@sbm.com.ar - OPTION A
> >> >> "John Wood" johnwood@kpmg.com - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Peter Weiss" peter.weiss@chanelusa.com - OPTION A
> >> >> "Davia Tamulioniene" daiva@sc-uni.ktu.lt - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Khaw Yaw Tuan" yewtuan@ncb.gov.sg - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Roeland Meyer" rmeyer@mhsc.com - OPTION B
> >> >> "Ted Shapiro " Ted_Shapiro@mpaa.org - OPTION A
> >> >> "Jonathan Cohen" jcohen@shapirocohen.com - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Younjung Park" yjpark@nic.or.kr - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Mark Measday" measday@ibm.net - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Eileen Kent" eileenk@enteract.com - OPTION A
> >> >> "Milton Mueller" mueller@syr.edu - OPTION B
> >> >> "Michael Palage" mpalage@infonetworks.com - VOTED (Under
> >> the Parliamentary
> >> >> Rules of Procedure (a.k.a Robert's Rules) the Chair's vote
> >> should not be
> >> >> disclosed unless it is dispositive)
> >> >> "Martin B. Schwimmer" martys@interport.net - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Stafferd Guest" sguest@cas.nu - OPTION B
> >> >> "Toshi Tsubo" tsubo@global-commons.co.jp - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Peter Gerrand" peter.gerrand@melbourneit.com.au - OPTION A
> >> >> "Peter Dengate-Thrush" pdthrush@chambers.gen.nz - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Tom Barret" tom.barrett@netnames.com - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Marilyn Cade" mcade@att.com - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Harald Tveit Alvestrand " harald@alvestrand.no - OPTION B
> >> >> "Jeffery J. Neuman" NeumanJ@gtlaw.com - OPTION A
> >> >> d3nnis@mciworld.com - OPTION B
> >> >> "Michele Farber" mafarber@att.com - - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Maria Equiron" meguiron@interdomain.org - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Teresa Sobreviela" mts@interdomain.org - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Rodrigo Marre" rodrigo.marre@bakernet.com - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Hartmut Richard Glaser" glaser@fapesp.br - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Sarah Deutsch" SARAH.B.DEUTSCH@bellatlantic.com - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Jim Bramson" jimbramson@aol.com - OPTION A
> >> >> "Timothy Denton" tmdenton@magma.ca - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "kim kwangsu" ks@mic.go.kr - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Rob Hall" rob@echelon.ca - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> Joop Teernstra terastra@terabytz.co.nz - OPTION B
> >> >> " Michelena Hallie" Michelena.Hallie@viacom.com - OPTION A
> >> >> "Judith Oppenheimer" joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com -OPTION B
> >> >> "Elizabeth Frazee" Elizfrazee@aol.com - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Doug Bush" dougbush@cs.com - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Kerry Owens" OwensK@arentfox.com - OPTION A
> >> >> "Pan-Jeong Lee" pjlee@ibi.net - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Young-Ok Park" okpark@ibi.net - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Otho B. Ross" attyross@aol.com - OPTION A
> >> >> "Mark C. Langston" mark@bitshift.org - OPTION B
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @
>
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