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RE: [wg-b] Straw Vote Results

To: "Martin B. Schwimmer" <martys@interport.net>, <wg-b@dnso.org>
Subject: RE: [wg-b] Straw Vote Results
From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer@mhsc.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:47:29 -0700
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19991005135151.00db67c8@pop.interport.net>
Reply-To: <rmeyer@mhsc.com>
Sender: owner-wg-b@dnso.org

In light of the news, that you dropped yesterday, that DNS names cannot
be trademarks, or represent trademarks, It can then be argued that DNS
names cannot violate trademarks either. Ergo, there is no issue with
famous marks since  the ability to violate a trademark is a
pre-requisite for violating a famous mark. Ergo, exclusionary lists are
irrelevant and possibly illegal for the stated purpose, under US law.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-wg-b@dnso.org [mailto:owner-wg-b@dnso.org]On Behalf Of
> Martin B. Schwimmer
> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 10:52 AM
> To: wg-b@dnso.org
> Subject: RE: [wg-b] Straw Vote Results
>
>
> By being a UN-chartered organization of experts and by conducting a
> year-long anaylsis of the issue, I think the WIPO report has created a
> prima facie case of being the best approach.   I think that
> prima facie
> case will have to be rebutted with something better than "I
> am against it."
>
> I'm not saying it's critique-proof (I've made criticisms of some its
> proposals on this list), I'm just saying that if we vote not
> to adopt its
> proposals, the onus is on us to explain.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 09:43 AM 10/5/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >Why should the burden of proof reside strictky with Option B voters?
> >That seems one-sided to me. IMHO, the WIPO report is non-binding.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-wg-b@dnso.org [mailto:owner-wg-b@dnso.org]On Behalf Of
> >> Martin B. Schwimmer
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 8:10 AM
> >> To: wg-b@dnso.org
> >> Subject: RE: [wg-b] Straw Vote Results
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Put me down for option A as well.
> >>
> >> I suggest that if voting against a recommendation in the WIPO
> >> report that
> >> the voter provide a rationale for the votes.
> >>
> >> There was a WIPO process.   What do we understand our mandate
> >> to be?  I
> >> don't think it is merely to substitute our own self-selected
> >> vote for that
> >> of WIPO and the several hundred people who put in comments.
> >> I think that
> >> the report should be either a critique of how well-meaning
> >> experts at WIPO
> >> got it wrong (if that's your view) or a method of implementation.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 09:17 AM 10/5/99 +0200, you wrote:
> >> >same for me Ted Shapiro from MPA votes for A. (I note that a
> >> colleague from
> >> >the MPAA voted also-what is the procedure for this?)
> >> >
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: mheltzer [mailto:mheltzer@inta.org]
> >> >Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 11:42 PM
> >> >To: 'd3nnis'; mpalage@infonetworks.com; wg-b@dnso.org
> >> >Subject: RE: [wg-b] Straw Vote Results
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I'm pretty sure I sent mine in, but here it is again -- Mike
> >> Heltzer from
> >> >the International Trademark Association votes for Option A.
> >> Safeguards are
> >> >needed!
> >> >
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: d3nnis [mailto:d3nnis@mciworld.com]
> >> >Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 8:01 AM
> >> >To: mpalage@infonetworks.com; wg-b@dnso.org
> >> >Subject: Re: [wg-b] Straw Vote Results
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Somehow I received copies of all the Option B votes
> >> (addressed to WG-B), but
> >> >none of the A's.
> >> >
> >> >Can anyone explain this?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>Dennis
> >> >
> >> >----------
> >> >> Listed below are the results from the Straw Vote Election.
> >> I was rather
> >> >> disappointed that not everyone voted ( less than half
> >> voted). In order to
> >> >> increase participation in future votes I purpose the
> >> following: if you
> >> >miss
> >> >> two (2) straight votes without good cause you will be
> >> removed from the
> >> >list;
> >> >> increase notification on my behalf to the list about the
> >> vote, any other
> >> >> suggestions?
> >> >>
> >> >> I will be busy conducting the Names Counsel Elections for
> >> the registrar
> >> >> constituency this week. However, I encourage the list to provide
> >> >> constructive comments on the straw vote and make any
> >> suggestions on where
> >> >we
> >> >> should go from here.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike
> >> >>
> >> >> If there are any missed ballots please notify me.
> >> >>
> >> >> DID NOT VOTE: 27
> >> >> OPTION A: 12
> >> >> OPTION B: 9
> >> >> ABSTAIN : 0
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Jonathan Cohen" drvcarrington@echelon.ca - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Bill Barber" bbarber@awd.com - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Mike Heltzer" mheltzer@inta.org - OPTION A
> >> >> "Kathy Kleiman" kathrynkl@aol.com - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Randy Bush" randy@psg.com - OPTION B
> >> >> "Tod Cohen" tcohen@mpaa.org - OPTION A
> >> >> "Alberto R. Berton Moreno Jr." law@sbm.com.ar - OPTION A
> >> >> "John Wood" johnwood@kpmg.com - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Peter Weiss" peter.weiss@chanelusa.com - OPTION A
> >> >> "Davia Tamulioniene" daiva@sc-uni.ktu.lt - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Khaw Yaw Tuan" yewtuan@ncb.gov.sg - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Roeland Meyer" rmeyer@mhsc.com - OPTION B
> >> >> "Ted Shapiro " Ted_Shapiro@mpaa.org - OPTION A
> >> >> "Jonathan Cohen" jcohen@shapirocohen.com - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Younjung Park" yjpark@nic.or.kr - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Mark Measday" measday@ibm.net - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Eileen Kent" eileenk@enteract.com - OPTION A
> >> >> "Milton Mueller" mueller@syr.edu - OPTION B
> >> >> "Michael Palage" mpalage@infonetworks.com - VOTED (Under
> >> the Parliamentary
> >> >> Rules of Procedure (a.k.a Robert's Rules) the Chair's vote
> >> should not be
> >> >> disclosed unless it is dispositive)
> >> >> "Martin B. Schwimmer" martys@interport.net - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Stafferd Guest" sguest@cas.nu - OPTION B
> >> >> "Toshi Tsubo" tsubo@global-commons.co.jp - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Peter Gerrand" peter.gerrand@melbourneit.com.au - OPTION A
> >> >> "Peter Dengate-Thrush" pdthrush@chambers.gen.nz - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Tom Barret" tom.barrett@netnames.com - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Marilyn Cade" mcade@att.com - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Harald Tveit Alvestrand " harald@alvestrand.no - OPTION B
> >> >> "Jeffery J. Neuman" NeumanJ@gtlaw.com - OPTION A
> >> >> d3nnis@mciworld.com - OPTION B
> >> >> "Michele Farber" mafarber@att.com - - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Maria Equiron" meguiron@interdomain.org - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Teresa Sobreviela" mts@interdomain.org - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Rodrigo Marre" rodrigo.marre@bakernet.com - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Hartmut Richard Glaser" glaser@fapesp.br - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Sarah Deutsch" SARAH.B.DEUTSCH@bellatlantic.com - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Jim Bramson" jimbramson@aol.com - OPTION A
> >> >> "Timothy Denton" tmdenton@magma.ca - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "kim kwangsu" ks@mic.go.kr - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Rob Hall" rob@echelon.ca - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> Joop Teernstra terastra@terabytz.co.nz - OPTION B
> >> >> " Michelena Hallie" Michelena.Hallie@viacom.com - OPTION A
> >> >> "Judith Oppenheimer" joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com -OPTION B
> >> >> "Elizabeth Frazee" Elizfrazee@aol.com - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Doug Bush" dougbush@cs.com - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Kerry Owens" OwensK@arentfox.com - OPTION A
> >> >> "Pan-Jeong Lee" pjlee@ibi.net - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Young-Ok Park" okpark@ibi.net - DID NOT VOTE
> >> >> "Otho B. Ross" attyross@aol.com - OPTION A
> >> >> "Mark C. Langston" mark@bitshift.org - OPTION B
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @
>

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