[wg-c] RE: [wg-c] bounced message, reposted for Eva Frölich

["Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer@mhsc.com>]

Hello Brian,

I refer to your comments;
	http://www.iab.org/iab/IAB-Technical-Comment.txt

These comments cut to the heart of TLD political isssues. They were made
recently.

I also refer you to:
	http://www.dnso.net/library/dnso-tld.mhsc-position.shtml

You were CC'd in the original discussion because I chose to face those that
I make unkind remarks about. Would you rather not know? If so, no problem...

To say that I vehemently disagree with your position is an understatement.

My argument is in my position paper.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian@hursley.ibm.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 6:27 AM
> To: rmeyer@mhsc.com
> Cc: 'Jonathan Weinberg'; wg-c@dnso.org; Eva Frolich (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: [wg-c] bounced message, reposted for Eva Frölich
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have no idea what you are talking about w.r.t. the IAB. The
> IAB has stopped
> dealing with TLD politics since the formation of ICANN and the DNSO.
> There is no technical issue here.
>
> Also your tone is insulting, which I don't appreciate, although it is
> typical of the entire TLD "debate" of the last few years.
>
> Please don't copy me on such discussions in future.
>
> Regards,
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Brian E Carpenter (IAB Chair)
> Program Director, Internet Standards & Technology, IBM
> On assignment for IBM at http://www.iCAIR.org
> Attend INET 2000: http://www.isoc.org/inet2000
> Non-IBM email: brian@icair.org
> Ethernet address: 00-00-AC-CF-5B-82
>
> "Roeland M.J. Meyer" wrote:
> >
> > It can be argued that this is somewhat of an IETF issue as
> well, but I would
> > suspect that the IAB would argue against. This is because
> it would undermine
> > their stated position, wrt gTLDs.
> >
> > The distinction between "regions" and gTLDs is a fuzzy one
> at best. Granted
> > that the EU is a political region, which is not cleanly
> bound by geography,
> > a gTLD can include a TLD with the exact same type
> definition as the EU.
> > Mainly, an area defined by political or corporate will,
> that encompasses a
> > geographical region, not bound by a single sovreignty.
> >
> > I have stated before that Brian Carpenter, and the IAB,
> speak in advance of
> > thought and that they don't know what they are talking
> about half of the
> > time. Ergo, they paint themselves into this type of corner
> all too often.
> > Now, they have to vigorously defend their position. This is sad.
> >
> > Arbitrary non-technical restrictions don't belong in the
> DNS policies and
> > the IAB should be the primary advocate of that position.
> That they are not,
> > speaks volumes against them.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-wg-c@dnso.org [mailto:owner-wg-c@dnso.org]On Behalf Of
> > > Jonathan Weinberg
> > > Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 9:24 AM
> > > To: wg-c@dnso.org
> > > Subject: [wg-c] bounced message, reposted for Eva Frölich
> > >
> > >
> > > >Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 07:55:44 +0100
> > > >To: wg-c@dnso.org
> > > >From: Eva =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=F6lich?= <info@nic-se.se>
> > > >Subject: Re: [wg-c] Are cc:TLDs included in our Charter?
> > > >
> > > >.eu or not .eu is a very sensitive discussion and the final
> > > word is not
> > > >said yet.
> > > >People I been talking too is sure that the question sooner
> > > or later will
> > > >fall on the table of the DNSO and probably then WG C. At the
> > > same time the
> > > >different politicians within the EU wan´t so have a say and
> > > I wouldn´t be
> > > >astonished if even politicians outside EU has a standpoint
> > > (there might be
> > > >more regions - geographic, cutural, sociopolitic etc) in
> the world.
> > > >
> > > >For your information there has been ongoing discussions
> > > within ITU for the
> > > >last 5 years on having a regional countrycode for telephony
> > > services within
> > > >Europe (a question driven by the Commission). ITU  has
> > > though got lost in
> > > >the definition of "region"......
> > > >
> > > >/ Eva
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >At 18:35 1999-12-10 -0500, A.M. Rutkowski wrote:
> > > >>Hi Elisabeth,
> > > >>
> > > >>>==> To keep the record straight: .EU is not *regional*,
> > > >>>     but European Union, it is a reserved code
> > > >>>     (http://www.din.de/gremien/nas/nabd/iso3166ma/)
> > > >>
> > > >>Of course, it's regional - unless the European Union
> > > >>somehow became a country.  Indeed, it's apparently classified
> > > >>as an "exceptional reservation" as described at:
> > > >>http://www.din.de/gremien/nas/nabd/iso3166ma/reserved.html
> > > >>
> > > >>I say apparently, because neither the list of reserved
> > > >>code elements, nor EU's category is publicly available.
> > > >>It's safe to presume, however, that it's not likely to
> > > >>be either "transitional" or "indeterminate."
> > > >>
> > > >>d'accord?
> > > >>
> > > >>-tony
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >_____________________________________________________________
> > > __________
> > > >Eva Frölich
> > > >e-mail:      eva@nic-se.se
> > > >NIC-SE, Box 5774, 114 87 Stockholm
> > > >
> > > >http://www.nic-se.se
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
>