Re: [wg-review] [Agenda] Issues List - 4

["Chris McElroy" <watch-dog@inreach.com>]

You know, this is definitely irritating. YJ Park, our Chair, posted a list
of Topics. We added two to that list as a group. The along came another list
of topics. While similar, they were not quite the same. Now this list is
given to me, a third list. Now you say this is not the list of topics
either, or at least not the approved list.

Approved by whom?

When do we get THE List of Topics?

List 1.

As some members expressed it is urgent to concentrate our energies
and efforts on the specific issues to reach consensus within the group
and finally Review WG can provide its (interim/final)report until Jan 15.

Additional issues and concerns can be freely discussed if the necessity
arises such as General Assembly Chair election process.

To make discussion more effective from now on, whenever members
circulate the message to the list, it is recommended for members to
specify the subject title out of ten here. - the subject can be expanded
subject to the requests by members.

1. [Charter] Review Process Background and Charter Discussion
2. [Outreach and DNSO] Report requested by NC
3. [Constituencies] Report requested by NC
4. [GA] Report requested by NC
5. [Working Group] Report requested by NC
6. [Secretariat] Report requested by NC
7. [Names Council] Report requested by NC
8. [WG A, B, C and DNSO] Report requested by NC
9. [DNSO Quality] Report requested by NC
10. [The Board and DNSO] Report requested by NC

Thanks,
YJ

Addendum to list 1
Hello Jefsey,

Thank you for your suggestions here.

After your proposal, it appears that this group is keen on 11.[IDNH]
however, it's hard to see any specific response to 12 and 13 except
James Wright's second.

> - 11. [IDNH] individual domain holder constituency, Report requested by
> WG-Review Members
> - 12. [STLD] specialized TLD constituency, Report requested by WG-Review
> Members
> - 13. [DNSO/GA Chair election] Report requested by WG-Review Members

Therefore, it would be productive not to handle 12[STLD] in this process and
it would be of help to have more detailed consulation with GA regarding 13
[GA Chair Election] before this group fully start its review process.

Thanks,
YJ

List 2

It is odd that the Names Council Review Task Force Questionnaire was not
circulated on the WG-review list. Here it is. Philip.
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From: owner-council@dnso.org [mailto:owner-council@dnso.org]On Behalf Of
Theresa Swinehart
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 6:25 PM
To: nc-review@dnso.org; 'names council'
Subject: [council] NC Review 2.0 Circulation for Comment.


All NC Review and NC members,

Please find below the DNSO review 2.0 to be forwarded to all constituencies.
Constituency representatives are responsible for forwarding this to their
constituencies, and ensuring that any constituency comments are forwarded to
the NC Review committee. Instructions on comments is in the document below
under 'Instructions for responding'.

Responses by October 9th would be most useful, and will be included in what
is forwarded to the ICANN Board by October 13th. Later responses will also
be incorporated in the report with conclusions and recommendations from the
NC to the Board one week prior to the Los Angeles meeting.

Comments from the GA are included in this outreach, and all can participate
in that forum as well (i.e., this is a working group of the whole). Roberto
is the point of contact, and together with Harald, should provide to the
review committee comments from the GA.

Specific for Constituency and GA representatives: In addition to collecting
comments on the document below, we also need to include information on the
growth and development of the DNSO. This information will be collected
specifically in coordination with the respective constituencies, GA, and
secretariat. Please provide as constituency representatives the responses
for your respective constituencies, and/or where relevant.

How have the membership of constituencies grown over the past year?

How has the GA grown?

How has contribution to ICANN and NC secretariat increased in past year?

How many new countries added to membership in past year?

How many countries are not represented in DNSO?


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DNSO Review 2.0 --

Outline for the DNSO Review

Status of Draft: This document is the result of several drafts (1.1-1.3)
discussed in the NC review, and NC, to formulate a document with questions
that would provide a basis for constituencies to comment and review the
DNSO. Document 2.0 was prepared following the NC teleconference September
21, 2000 and comments received following circulation after the call.

Instructions for responding:

Document 2.0 (which is Draft 1.3 with last NC comments) must be forwarded by
each NC-Review Representative to the respective constituency for comment and
input. Comments are to be compiled by the respective NC-Review
Representatives, and forwarded to the NC-Review committee. The GA Chair will
be responsible for overseeing the continued GA input to this working
progress.

In responses please provide concrete examples and the basis for conclusions,
rather than just conclusory statements. Please also make clear from whom
(not the person's name, but what interest(s) they represent) the comments
are coming from. Please also offer specific suggestions; either that
specific DNSO things are working well or that they are not; and if they are
not how we think they can be improved.

Time for Comments: Comments and responses to questions in document 2.0
received by October 9th would be useful and can be included in what is
forwarded to the ICANN Board by October 13th. Later responses will also, of
course, be incorporated in the report containing conclusions and
recommendations from the NC prior to the Los Angeles meeting.


I. Introduction:

The DNSO is a Supporting Organization of ICANN, with the responsibility of
advising the ICANN Board with respect to policy issues relating to the
domain name system. The DNSO has the primary responsibility for developing
and recommending substantive policies regarding to the domain name system.
Additionally, the Board can refer proposals for substantive policies
regarding the domain name system to the DNSO for initial consideration and
recommendation to the Board. Subject to the provision of Article III,
Section 3, of the ICANN bylaws, the Board shall accept the recommendations
of the DNSO if it finds that the recommended policy (1) furthers the
purposes of, and is in the best interest of, ICANN; (2) is consistent with
ICANN's articles of incorporation and bylaws; (3) was arrived at through
fair and open processes (including participation by representatives of other
Supporting Organizations if requested); and (4) is not reasonably opposed by
the ASO or PSO.

II. Background:

The DNSO was formally established in March 1999 as one of ICANN's three SOs.
It was formed following extensive global discussions and communications,
with the intent of trying to establish an SO that represented the
stakeholders in ICANN necessary for developing and recommending substantive
polices regarding the domain name system. Since its establishment, it has
made three recommendations for policies to the ICANN Board involving dispute
resolution, new top-level domains, and famous trademarks and the operation
of the domain-name system.  During this period it has also chosen four
directors to the ICANN Board through two sets of elections. With this
experience with the DNSO's actual performance, it is now appropriate to
review the DNSO to determine whether it is fulfilling its commitments, and
whether it needs to be adjusted in order to better fulfill them.

III. Review:

The objectives of the DNSO Review Committee are:

· To review the DNSO's responsibilities and its work.
· To recommend making DNSO function as designed.
· To review and discuss this with the respective constituencies, and general
assembly of the DNSO.

Outlined below are sections addressing the structure of the DNSO, and
specific questions on the responsibilities of the organization, and the
structure. This draft attempts to consolidate comments received on draft
1.0, which was circulated to the NC-Review.

The review will conclude with recommendations, if any, on how to better
improve the fulfillment of the responsibilities of the organization, and
whether any improvements require structural changes. The Initial
Self-Assessment of the DNSO Review is due October 13th.



III. DNSO Responsibilities:

The DNSO is responsible for advising the ICANN Board with respect to policy
issues relating to the domain name system. The DNSO's primary responsibility
is to develop and recommend substantive policies regarding to the domain
name system. Additionally, the Board can refer substantive policies
regarding the domain name system to the DNSO for initial consideration and
recommendation to the Board.

To date, the DNSO has been tasked with the following responsibilities:

A. Universal Dispute Resolution Policy (UDRP): Working Group A, Names
Council's review of Working Group A report, followed by the Names Council
recommendation based on the Working Group A's report to the Board and the
final adoption by the ICANN Board.

B. new generic Top Level Domains (new gTLDs): Working Group B and C, Names
Council review of Working Group B and C's reports, followed by its
recommendations to the Board.

C. DNSO ICANN Board Elections: Two elections held: 1) October 1999, choosing
three ICANN Board members for 3, 2, 1 years respectively; 2) September 2000,
filling the three year seat for the 1 year expired seat.

· To what extent has the DNSO fulfilled the responsibilities in A, B and C?

· Have the policies recommended by the DNSO represented an adequate
consensus of the affected stakeholders?  Have the viewpoints of all
stakeholders been considered?

· Have the recommendations been well defined, useful in terms of being
timely and being structured with a degree of specificity/flexibility
appropriate to allow practical implementation?

· To the extent the recommendations have been adopted as policies, have they
received the support of those being asked to implement them?

· Has the DNSO failed to address problems that have been called to its
attention through the Names Council?


· Does the DNSO performance require improvement, and if so, how?

· Are the responsibilities of the components (NC, Constituencies, GA) and
the relationship among them well defined?

· How can the DNSO minimize the amount of subjectivity and increase the
amount of objective consensus building, with its current structure? With a
different structure?

· Has the DNSO process brought expertise to the issues it has addressed?  If
not, how can the degree of expertise be enhanced?


V. Structure:

The structure of the DNSO is as follows: The NC, Seven constituencies, and
the General Assembly.

A. Names Council:

Under the ICANN bylaws, the Names Council is responsible for the management
of the consensus-building process of the DNSO. The NC consists of
representatives selected by each of seven constituencies.  The NC functions
via a list serve, regular teleconference calls, and physical meetings in
conjunction with ICANN quarterly meetings. There have been concerns that the
DNSO Names Council has evolved into a generalist body. Questions below aim
to address the role of the NC, and how to improve it.

· Is the Names Council fulfilling its responsibility to steer and manage the
DNSO consensus process, or can this be improved?

· What are the proper expectations for the Names Council, and what is its
proper role in relation to the DNSO and the ICANN Board?

· Should the NC take a more active role in managing the
consensus-development process, for example by giving working groups more
defined charters and more frequently reviewing the state of their work?

· How can the NC enhance the level of technical or other expertise employed
in the consensus-development process?

· How much or little should the NC be involved in the detailed management of
ICANN?

· Does the NC manage the policy-development process so that recommendations
are reached in a timely manner?

· Does the existing structure work to generate consensus recommendations on
domain name matters?

· Does the Names Council give appropriate level of consideration to the
views of all affected stakeholders?

· The NC recommendations have been criticized as often being 'weak', or
merely reflecting the outcome of the respective working groups. How can the
NC interpret the outcome of the working groups, and formulate a better
defined and stronger recommendations consistent with the consensus process?

· Do the NC representatives adequately communicate with their respective
constituencies? Do the constituencies communicate with their NC
representatives?

· Does the NC adequately communicate with the ICANN staff and Board?

· Does the NC adequately communicate with other SO Councils?

· After consulting ICANN staff to address details which require legal and
technical expertise, does the NC review whether or not such input is
sufficient?

· How can the NC improve the role of the DNSO under ICANN, and improve its
ability to provide advice and input to the ICANN Board on domain name
policy issues?


B. Constituencies:

· Are the constituencies a correct division? Are all DNSO interests
adequately represented in the existing constituency groups? Do the current
divisions aggregate individuals or entities with closely aligned interests
and permit the development of focused positions?

· Should the constituencies be reformulated by combining user
constituencies?  By combining provider constituencies?  In some other way?

· Is it up to each constituency to define its relationship with NC
representatives or should the DNSO/ICANN have some minimal mandatory
requirements for all?

· What happens if an elected NC rep does not attend NC meetings, ignores
constituency members? Is this up to the constituency to address, or should
it be brought to the attention of the NC?

· Are the constituencies fulfilling their role as open and transparent
channels of dialogue and discussion toward the development of community
consensus? Do they allow effective development of collective positions of
those with similar interests?  Does this process promote the development of
overall community consensus?

· Does the current constituency division minimize the effectiveness of the
DNSO and NC?

· Are the constituencies adequately representing the intended members?  Or
are there important parts of the Internet Community that may need better
representation?

· Should there be a constituency for individuals, and if so, how should its
membership be constituted?

· How do you ensure that individuals who choose to form an individual
constituency represent the vast interests
of individuals ?

· No constituencies have been added since the original seven constituencies
were recognized (provisionally) in May 1999.  What should be the ongoing
process for assessing whether the constituencies serving the goal of
providing appropriate forums for affected stakeholder groups?


C. General Assembly (GA):

· What should the future role of the GA be?

· Is the function of the GA properly defined?

· How can the level of participation by constituency members in the GA be
improved?

· How can the level of participation by GA members in the GA be improved?

· If changes are made in the constituency structures, and possibly an
individual constituency added, should the GA continue to exist?

D. Working Groups:

· Are the working groups an appropriate mechanisms to foster consensus in
the DNSO?

· If the NC can't find consensus in a working group report, what should be
the next step?

· Are there mechanisms other than working groups that the NC should employ
in managing the consensus-development process? For example, assigned task
forces?


E. Secretariat:

· What is the relationship between the ICANN Secretariat, the DNSO
secretariat, and the Constituency secretariats?


VI. Other Review Questions:

· Have the DNSO recommendations furthered the ICANN work consistent with the
provision in Article VI, Section 2(e), of the ICANN Bylaws, that the ICANN
Board shall accept recommendations of the DNSO if the Board finds that the
recommended policy (1) furthers the purposes of, and is in the best interest
of, the Corporation; (2) is consistent with the Articles and Bylaws; (3) was
arrived at through fair and open processes (including participation by
representatives of other Supporting Organizations if requested); and (4)
isn't reasonably opposed by any other Supporting Organization.


List 3

As per your request, Chris, this was the last post in that thread. Thanks
to Rod Dixon for his work in compiling this.

>Structural and/or Procedural Problem areas within the DNSO that impede its
>mission of becoming a bottom-up policy coordination body:


>1. Unrepresented constituents.
>2. Unrepresentative constituencies.
>3. Process does not encourage compromise among parties  with competing
>positions.
>  4. The process is not producing adequate documents for the board.
>5. No agreed definition for "domain name"
>6. No agreed definition for "end user" and "real end user"
>7. Poor clarification of issues that ICANN has charter to address that
>directly affect "end users".
>8. Process does not encourage compromise among parties  with competing
>positions.
>9.  Arguable the weighting of constituencies (currently all are equal) on
>Names Council is inappropriate?  How can one decide what is appropriate and
>who decides?
>10. GA feel marginalized and powerless.

--
All I want to know is do I now have the whole collection or do these come in
sets of 4, 5, 6, or more? When collecting I always try to get the complete
set.

Can we maybe focus on deciding what topics ARE going to be up for discussion
by this WG? Or do I need to start a working group on that too?

If the American Revolutionaries had met this way, We'd be in WG
AABHGFDFSWKWJKSJJJJJJH$%$^&*&((*) by now and still have a KING.


Chris McElroy aka NameCritic


----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Burton" <sidna@feedwriter.com>
To: <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
Cc: <wg-review@dnso.org>
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 5:40 PM
Subject: [wg-review] [Agenda] Issues List - 4


> At 06:03 PM 1/5/01, Sotiropoulos wrote:
> >HOWEVER, if the domain name definition issue were to be settled anytime
> >soon, it would probably invalidate most (not all, but certainly most) of
> >the symptom issues which arise as a result of its obscurity.  That is, it
> >would clear up the very same issues we're so self-importantly proclaiming
> >to be of penultimate importance...  Isn't there an old saying:  `Can't
see
> >the forest for the trees'?
>
> It is unclear to me how defining what a "domain name" is will solve
> problems of structure and process. However - if you really believe it to
be
> of paramount importance, you can call for a working group to discuss it.
>
> >BTW, I think it's interesting to note that although you state I'm going
> >off topic, you post the follwing issues list in your very next mailing to
> >the WG:
> >...
> >Did you read this list before posting it?  It seems I was indeed
> >addressing one of the issues on this list, specifically #4, in case you
> >missed it.
>
> Yes I did, yes I did, and yes you were. :) This list has not been
> discussed, nor agreed upon - it is a compilation that was the beginning of
> that process. I posted it without editing or commentary. Unfortunately,
Rod
> hasn't posted on it since then. My suggestion would be that people who
want
> to use this list try and rank the questions in some kind of priority, or
> just start from the top. If enough people think that the topic is part of
> our brief, then it will have substantial discussion - and I will be not
> only amazed, but quite wrong in my understanding of where we're going.
>
> That said,  as a rule of thumb it's generally unproductive to insert a
> second topic into a thread that already has enough material in it for
> substantial dialogue.
>
>
> Regards,
> Greg
>
> sidna@feedwriter.com
>
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