Re: [wg-review] The Number 1 Problem

[FRupp@aol.com]

As I recall there used to be a consensus that the world was flat...

Consensus does not mean that we are on the "One True Path" it only means that 
some group thinks they are...which is meaningless unless its true...


In a message dated 1/7/01 12:38:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
karl@CaveBear.com writes:


> On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Kent Crispin wrote:
>
> > the root of the problem.  The root of the problem is that despite the
> > mandate from the white paper and elsewhere, there are those (Milton has
> > expressed this view) who simply oppose the consensus model.  Karl
> > Auerbach has been a much stronger opponent of a consensus model --
> > here's a quote from the wg-d record:
>
> Yup, I oppose "consensus" because it is a synonym for "tyranny of the
> chair".
>
> I support the determination of group opinion by the use of solid
> procedures that include the placement of clearly articulated issues before
> a clearly formed electorate who make clear votes that are counted.
>
> As it stands, as a member of the ICANN Board of Directors, I am very
> unlikely to give credence to any matter that comes out of the DNSO unless
> I see objective data indicating that the DNSO has reached its conclusion
> by something better than the hand waving that has to date been called
> "consensus".
>
> Take a look at:
>
>     http://www.bitshift.org/rror.shtml
>
> My comments below are as valid as ever:
>
> >     Why people wave "consenus" as some sort of high and mighty thing of
> >     angelic goodness is beyond me.
> >
> >     I consider "consensus" to be synonymous with "not accountable" and
> >     suggestive of back room dealings and hidden agendas.
> >
> >     Let's dispense with new-age warm and fuzzy thinking about
> >     "consensus" and simply run the DNSO the way that normal community
> >     groups, businesses, and governments work -- with well stated rules
> >     of order and clear cut voting on clear cut issues.
>
>         --karl--
>
>
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