Re: [wg-review] Re(2): [cctld-discuss] Comments on review of DNSOby Mr Park

[Pilar Luque <pluque@nic.es>]

Roeland Meyer wrote:
> 
> I disagree, it is an ICANN BoD issue and the DNSO shouldn't be a vehicle for
> that argument. The DNSO is about DOMAIN NAMES and management of the name
> space. The DNSO needs to concentrate on its core business before it can
> address other issues. This WG is about addressing the failure of the DNSO to
> operate its core business, according to the DNSO charter handed down by the
> ICANN BoD.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pilar Luque [mailto:pluque@nic.es]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 1:21 AM
> >
> > Dear Roeland,
> >
> > it is a WG-Review issue because it should be the names Council of the
> > DNSO the one organisation inside ICANN pressing the BOARD tom
> > acknoledge
> > the issue of the language barrier so that they do something about it.
> >
> > Pilar LUQUE (ES_NIC)
> 
> > Roeland Meyer wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Doc, glad to see your posts again.
> > >
> > > WRT the language issue, far be it from me to even think
> > that this is not an
> > > important issue. I agree that this is important. However,
> > sometimes the cure
> > > is worse than the disease. I question therefore, is it a
> > proper WG-Review
> > > issue? Could this issue, if pressed, de-rail all other
> > issues in WG-Review?
> > > Especially, given that there are no resources, readily at
> > hand, to answer
> > > this issue.
> > >
> > > Two points counter the importance of this language issue;
> > > 1) ICANN receives it's mandate from the United States
> > Government, Department
> > > of Commerce, National Telecommunications and Information
> > Administration. As
> > > such, it is answerable to them and the United States
> > Congress. Since ICANN
> > > must please the United States Congress, it behooves the
> > ICANN to have ALL
> > > documentation in American English, as a primary choice.
> > > 2) Ref: Tower of Babel.(see Genesis 11:1-9, Christian Bible)
> > >
> > > That said, I realize the importance of including those that do not
> > > understand English so well. However, the jargon problem
> > (outlined elsewhere)
> > > may be a much more insurmountable problem than the native
> > language issue.
> > > Over time, we are building a mountain of jargon, history,
> > and evolution of
> > > ideas, such that, even native American English speakers
> > have a difficult
> > > time following the discussions. At the least, a native
> > language speaker can
> > > find a translator of English. However, where is one to find
> > a translator of
> > > the jargon?
> > >
> > > Note that, English is a second language for me too. I see
> > this entire thread
> > > as presenting an intractible problem. One that does not
> > have a forseeable
> > > solution-set. In marketing jargon, this is a rat-hole. Were
> > WG-Review to
> > > become embroiled in this problem, it will fail in its mission.
> > >
> > > --
> > > ROELAND M.J. MEYER
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> > > Morgan Hill Software Company, Inc.
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> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Oscar A. Robles Garay [mailto:orobles@nic.mx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:59 AM
> > > > To: el@lisse.na
> > > > Cc: wg-review@dnso.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Re(2): [wg-review] Re(2): [cctld-discuss] Comments on
> > > > review of DNSO by Mr Park
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok, i respect your disagreement.
> > > > But, let me disagree with "all DNS operators speak English".
> > > > There is an abismal difference betwen UNDERSTAND english
> > > > texts and DISCUSS in public in english...
> > > >
> > > > Oscar
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Joel,
> > > > >
> > > > > first of all I disagree with Ocar, that the
> > multi-language issue is
> > > > > the cause for the great ICANN divide. That is just not
> > true, in fact
> > > > > it is the opposite, if we were to do this, we'd get
> > into even more
> > > > > problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > It has to do with power, money and influence. Maybe not in
> > > > this order,
> > > > > but nothing else. Bill Semich is right, again, that we
> > need to put
> > > > > these things into plain, simple, and unambiguous English.
> > > > >
> > > > > Secondly all DNS operators speak English already, or they
> > > > would not be
> > > > > able to perate the name servers. Never mind that a large
> > > > percentage of
> > > > > the .COM servers are misconfigured, but then the command of
> > > > English in
> > > > > the Land of the Fancy Elections has been argued about :-)-O
> > > > >
> > > > > And if we start considering it where does it stop?
> > First the Krauts
> > > > > want in, then Namibia asks that domain names must be
> > able to include
> > > > > the characters \!#/ so that Damara names are possible.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > robin@minervan.com writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> I think German should be included as well - if one
> > looks at the
> > > > > >> demographics, one will see that Germany is one of
> > the countries
> > > > > >> leading the technology trail on the Continent,
> > > > >
> > > > > Besides the fact that German is my native language this
> > statement is
> > > > > such UTTER, NAUSEATING nonsense, that I had to medicate
> > myself when
> > > > > reading it.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> and has a higher percentage of Internet users and businesses
> > > > > >> compared to most other European countries.
> > > > >
> > > > > But, they have all had English in School, and in particular
> > > > the people
> > > > > involved in the DNS ALL speak English, without exception.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> Germany surely outflanks France and Spain, I think
> > only the UK
> > > > > >> might have more Internet users, although a higher number of
> > > > > >> Internet companies might be debatable.  Even the at-large
> > > > > >> representative from Europe is German. German is spoken
> > > > in Austria,
> > > > > >> Germany, South Tyrol (part of Italy), and large parts of
> > > > > >> Switzerland.  Its the native language of a sizable
> > proportion of
> > > > > >> Europeans, not just Germans.
> > > > >
> > > > > I fail to the the relevance, of any of the above drivel.
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't care less if a country has 2 Internet users or
> > 2 Million.
> > > > >
> > > > > The question is, do the DNS managers speak enough
> > English to realize
> > > > > that when dealing with the current ICANN they must lay
> > back, close
> > > > > their eyes and think of England?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > el
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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