Re: [wg-review] Re(2): [cctld-discuss] Comments on review of DNSOby Mr Park

[Pilar Luque <pluque@nic.es>]

Dear Roeland,

I disagree about your idea about the role of the DNSO. The DNSO role is
about conveying to the ICANN Board the worries and opinions of the
different constituencies in the DNSO and this one of the language
barrier seems to be a big issue, at least for the ccTLD Constituency
which is the one which would be the most representative one for "world
wide "representation in the whole of the ICANN process.

Regards,

Pilar








Roeland Meyer wrote:
> 
> I disagree, it is an ICANN BoD issue and the DNSO shouldn't be a vehicle for
> that argument. The DNSO is about DOMAIN NAMES and management of the name
> space. The DNSO needs to concentrate on its core business before it can
> address other issues. This WG is about addressing the failure of the DNSO to
> operate its core business, according to the DNSO charter handed down by the
> ICANN BoD.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pilar Luque [mailto:pluque@nic.es]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 1:21 AM
> >
> > Dear Roeland,
> >
> > it is a WG-Review issue because it should be the names Council of the
> > DNSO the one organisation inside ICANN pressing the BOARD tom
> > acknoledge
> > the issue of the language barrier so that they do something about it.
> >
> > Pilar LUQUE (ES_NIC)
> 
> > Roeland Meyer wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Doc, glad to see your posts again.
> > >
> > > WRT the language issue, far be it from me to even think
> > that this is not an
> > > important issue. I agree that this is important. However,
> > sometimes the cure
> > > is worse than the disease. I question therefore, is it a
> > proper WG-Review
> > > issue? Could this issue, if pressed, de-rail all other
> > issues in WG-Review?
> > > Especially, given that there are no resources, readily at
> > hand, to answer
> > > this issue.
> > >
> > > Two points counter the importance of this language issue;
> > > 1) ICANN receives it's mandate from the United States
> > Government, Department
> > > of Commerce, National Telecommunications and Information
> > Administration. As
> > > such, it is answerable to them and the United States
> > Congress. Since ICANN
> > > must please the United States Congress, it behooves the
> > ICANN to have ALL
> > > documentation in American English, as a primary choice.
> > > 2) Ref: Tower of Babel.(see Genesis 11:1-9, Christian Bible)
> > >
> > > That said, I realize the importance of including those that do not
> > > understand English so well. However, the jargon problem
> > (outlined elsewhere)
> > > may be a much more insurmountable problem than the native
> > language issue.
> > > Over time, we are building a mountain of jargon, history,
> > and evolution of
> > > ideas, such that, even native American English speakers
> > have a difficult
> > > time following the discussions. At the least, a native
> > language speaker can
> > > find a translator of English. However, where is one to find
> > a translator of
> > > the jargon?
> > >
> > > Note that, English is a second language for me too. I see
> > this entire thread
> > > as presenting an intractible problem. One that does not
> > have a forseeable
> > > solution-set. In marketing jargon, this is a rat-hole. Were
> > WG-Review to
> > > become embroiled in this problem, it will fail in its mission.
> > >
> > > --
> > > ROELAND M.J. MEYER
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> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Oscar A. Robles Garay [mailto:orobles@nic.mx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:59 AM
> > > > To: el@lisse.na
> > > > Cc: wg-review@dnso.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Re(2): [wg-review] Re(2): [cctld-discuss] Comments on
> > > > review of DNSO by Mr Park
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok, i respect your disagreement.
> > > > But, let me disagree with "all DNS operators speak English".
> > > > There is an abismal difference betwen UNDERSTAND english
> > > > texts and DISCUSS in public in english...
> > > >
> > > > Oscar
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Joel,
> > > > >
> > > > > first of all I disagree with Ocar, that the
> > multi-language issue is
> > > > > the cause for the great ICANN divide. That is just not
> > true, in fact
> > > > > it is the opposite, if we were to do this, we'd get
> > into even more
> > > > > problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > It has to do with power, money and influence. Maybe not in
> > > > this order,
> > > > > but nothing else. Bill Semich is right, again, that we
> > need to put
> > > > > these things into plain, simple, and unambiguous English.
> > > > >
> > > > > Secondly all DNS operators speak English already, or they
> > > > would not be
> > > > > able to perate the name servers. Never mind that a large
> > > > percentage of
> > > > > the .COM servers are misconfigured, but then the command of
> > > > English in
> > > > > the Land of the Fancy Elections has been argued about :-)-O
> > > > >
> > > > > And if we start considering it where does it stop?
> > First the Krauts
> > > > > want in, then Namibia asks that domain names must be
> > able to include
> > > > > the characters \!#/ so that Damara names are possible.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > robin@minervan.com writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> I think German should be included as well - if one
> > looks at the
> > > > > >> demographics, one will see that Germany is one of
> > the countries
> > > > > >> leading the technology trail on the Continent,
> > > > >
> > > > > Besides the fact that German is my native language this
> > statement is
> > > > > such UTTER, NAUSEATING nonsense, that I had to medicate
> > myself when
> > > > > reading it.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> and has a higher percentage of Internet users and businesses
> > > > > >> compared to most other European countries.
> > > > >
> > > > > But, they have all had English in School, and in particular
> > > > the people
> > > > > involved in the DNS ALL speak English, without exception.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> Germany surely outflanks France and Spain, I think
> > only the UK
> > > > > >> might have more Internet users, although a higher number of
> > > > > >> Internet companies might be debatable.  Even the at-large
> > > > > >> representative from Europe is German. German is spoken
> > > > in Austria,
> > > > > >> Germany, South Tyrol (part of Italy), and large parts of
> > > > > >> Switzerland.  Its the native language of a sizable
> > proportion of
> > > > > >> Europeans, not just Germans.
> > > > >
> > > > > I fail to the the relevance, of any of the above drivel.
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't care less if a country has 2 Internet users or
> > 2 Million.
> > > > >
> > > > > The question is, do the DNS managers speak enough
> > English to realize
> > > > > that when dealing with the current ICANN they must lay
> > back, close
> > > > > their eyes and think of England?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > el
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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