Re: [wg-review] [IDNH] my posting to the ICANN forum

[Joop Teernstra <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>]

On 08:03 7/03/01 -0800, Kent Crispin said:

>Joop, I'm flattered that you think I am so important,
but my expression
>of opinion about what the board thinks does not constitute "revealing"
>what they think.  On rare occasions I have had small polite
>conversations with Board members, like many people, but most of my
>opinions are in fact based on external observation, general knowledge of
>the world, intelligence, and intuition. 
>

Intelligence as in "information from non-public sources"? That is more than
the expression of an opinion.
Kent, you speak so often with the voice of the Board or the Staff that for
lack of public denials from them, you are acting as an unofficial spokesman.

>> There is no question that being rebuffed without given reasons increases
>> the levels of frustration, bitterness and cynicism of those who try to
>> participate in good faith.
>> The stonewalling is the cause of anti-ICANN feelings in the constituency
>> and it has to be recognized as such.
>
>Nonsense.  The heavy anti-ICANN sentiment was present in the
>constituency from the very beginning.

Read our petition again. www.idno.org/petition.htm This was a consensus
document of all the signatories.
What is anti-ICANN about pointing to its Bylaws and requesting to be
recognized as part of its DNSO?
The IDNO is no more "anti-ICANN" than this WG.

>
>> To reverse cause and effect is not a basis for good policy.
>
>Indeed, and it is you who is reversing the cause and the effect.  
>

No. 
Passion for the DN owners' cause never meant being anti-ICANN.  And
frustration is an effect.

>> Personally, I am on the point of giving up on ICANN.
>> Perhaps this is better for the IDNO.
>
>Does the term "messiah complex" mean anything to you?
>
Yes. It can be used as a label that allows you and the people you speak for
to avoid the real issues that this WG is grappling with and instead take a
cheap pot-shot at the messengers.
On how many of the participants in this WG, who have unselfishly
contributed so much of their time, do you want to stick cheap labels?

>> Attempting to participate in ICANN via this "bottom-up" constituency
>> formation, has been very costly for me in personal terms.
>
>Participating in ICANN (and the gTLD-MoU before it) has been very costly 
>for me in personal terms, as well as for many many other *individuals*.
>
I know.  In the words of Roberto Gaetano (quote)

"Now that I am at the end of the mandate, and that I have not received one 
single penny from the DNSO, neither for trips, nor for the phone calls, nor 
for the time spent, let me tell you that it is of the paramount importance 
that the DNSO defines some kind of mechanism by which we can make sure that
the next GA Chair will be a normal person and not either a masochist or 
somebody with a hidden agenda (and hidden sponsors thereof)."
(unquote)

>> But as soon as the Board will approve the addition of an Individuals
>> constituency to the DNSO, a great deal of frustration will melt away and
>> the members of this constituency will be motivated again to work in a
>> positive and constructive way to legitimize the DNSO as a representative
>> body of DNS stakeholders.
>
>I'm sorry, but the evidence strongly indicates otherwise.  Creation of 
>an Individuals constituency won't suddenly change any direction on 
>ICANN's part, and the disgruntled individuals won't suddenly become
>gruntled.
>

You are right that it won't suddenly change any direction on ICANN's part. 
An 8th constituency with 3 seats will still be outvoted on the Names
Council if nothing else is changed.
But you are wrong about taking the  future attitude of the constituency as
a given. 
Once the constituency is recognized, the disgruntled individuals who may
not become gruntled <g> overnight, will be heavily diluted by an influx of
new constituency members, who will finally have a clear and positive
purpose to be there: to help build a better DNSO, a better Names Council
and a better ICANN. 









--Joop--
Former bootstrap of the CA/idno
       The Polling Booth 
www.democracy.org.nz/vote1/

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