Re: [ga] Re: [ga-roots] Dot-Antitrust anyone? fresh evidence

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Jersey and all assembly members,

Jefsey Morfin wrote:

> Dear Jeff,
> I am afraid you are missing the point. When you enter a DN in your browser
> that name is scanned and possibly replaced with a canned address (Real
> Name).

  Possibly yes, but not in this instance or situation.  Earthlink/Mindspring
point their Name Servers in two directions at the same time basically.
Thereby allowing the resolution of New.Nets TLD's and thereby,
domain names associated with those TLD's.

> This process will now be used by IE to support VeriSign
> multinational names (yestderay annoucement).

  This is a totally different technical approach.  I use a custom browser.
I can "Turn On" what ever TLD's I wish to resolve, if they exist.  However
with New.Nets agreement with Earthling/Mindspring I do not need to do this.
Apples and technical oranges that arrive at the same place through a different
technical path or method....  This was the point of my previous post.
There are other methods, such as a server based solution my company,
developed known as SROOTS and BindPlus...

> A multinational name is a
> normal DNS string with a certain semantic. This will certainly be made
> plain by a lot of justice decisions: all the people which rehistered bq_ as
> a string are blocked if I undestand well.

  Yes with a browser based solution, this is basically, very basically, how
it CAN work.  There are other browser based solutions as well...

>
>
> So what is a semantic? is there a big difference between bq_..... and
> .shop? VeriSign and MicroSoft will explain that IE is just offering a
> service to the user: to protect him from collisions by simili TLDs.
>
> Vint started a real war purposedly. Stuart's yesterday position can be a
> basis for talks however it is more probably a political move. Anyway, they
> have now all the elements and possiblities to stop it through a consensus
> on the definition of what at minimum a TLD is.

  I don't think this approach will ever work or even be addressed...

>
>
> Or we have  entered in a huge instability period and possibly an Internet
> split.

  We have entered a split...

> We should have started a discussion on iCANN name space management
> instead of being trapped into arguing on 'roots' on a sub-list. We de facto
> freed their hands and now the problem is with all of us.

  Well some methods are "Roots" based and some are not, as I indicated
above.  So starting this discussion in the 'Roots' sub-list was ok.

>
>
> The solution is in heir hands: up to them to decide.

  I disagree here as well.  The decision is in the stakeholders hands.
Should the ICANN BoD continue to deny reality, that is of their
own making.  They will soon enough be seen as "Out of Touch".

>
> Jefsey
>
> On 14:38 21/06/01, Jeff Williams said:
> >Len and all,
> >
> >   Thanks for passing this along.
> >
> >   It is obvious that Stuart Lynn is either unaware or just not savvy
> >enough to
> >recognize that some large ISP's such as @home and Earthlink/Mindspring
> >(My account service provider) do not require the New.Net Plugin to
> >access
> >their sites.  That's a huge number of stakeholders.  Recently also
> >New.Net
> >also partnered up with Prodigy which will bring a potential +10m
> >users/stakeholders
> >access to the much needed and increasingly desired TLD's and associated
> >Domain Names.
> >
> >   Maybe someday the ICANN BoD and staff, most especially Stuart Lynn
> >will come to their senses....  Hope springs eternal...
> >
> >Len Lindon wrote:
> >
> > > Getting Out of Dot-Nowhere
> > > By Joanna Glasner
> > > 2:00 a.m. June 20, 2001
> > > http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,44625,00.html
> > >
> > > > For folks who actually have Web addresses in alternative domains, a more
> > > > pressing concern is not whether the sites will continue operating so
> > much as
> > > > whether anyone will visit them.
> > > >
> > > > Since sites operated by alternate registries aren't on the Internet's
> > central
> > > > server, they're typically hard to access. More often than not, users
> > trying to
> > > > get to dot-shop or dot-travel end up receiving "server not responding"
> > > > messages.
> > > >
> > > > Given those technical hurdles, low traffic figures weren't much of a
> > surprise
> > > ...
> > > > Largely through these efforts, New.net figures that its sites are
> > accessible
> > > > by about 35 percent of U.S. Internet users through at least one
> > computer they
> > > > operate.
> > > >
> > > > However, that still leaves out about two-thirds of the Web-using
> > public. The
> > > > two largest Internet service providers, AOL and MSN, for example,
> > have yet to
> > > > sign on to New.net's plan. On top of that, there are the countless
> > individuals
> > > > who get Internet access at work or school without a commercial ISP.
> > >
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> >Regards,
> >
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