Re: [ga] We can't be against it?

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Eric and all assembly members,

  Some good ideas here Eric.  And some of it can be done.  We would
need funding however.  (More specific comments to eric's below)

Eric Dierker wrote:

> Check out these two threads.  I think that we are boiling down to how to oppose
> the BoD and Staff and not about what we oppose.

  I do believe that what is being opposed is Stuart Lynn's seemingly independent
decision on the upcoming MDR meeting being focused only or predominantly
on security issues for the DNS.  I believe that much is quite clear.  So, I
am a bit puzzled with you comment here.

> I suggest a two pronged
> attack.  Sometimes you can follow me and my antisocial behavior and sometimes
> you can follow pleasant well worn tactics such as David suggests are
> appropriate.  I have more reason to hate litigation than most and with that
> thought I suggest we use the other Estate and we use this horrible state of
> affairs to our favor and invoke the press.

  THe press as you know, starting with Techweb and CNET are already
out front to and extent here.  More to soon come on this issue I am sure.
See: http://www.internetweek.com/graymatter/bits092101.htm for example.

>
>
> I did not make the rules.  I do not like the game.  But damn it, it is time we
> started playing it like the BoD and Staff and Verisign.  Let us stop acting like
> a professional group above the rules and get down and dirty and win.

  It is not all about wining or loosing.  It is about doing the right thing for the
right reasons at the right time.  What Stuart Lynn has suggest does not
meet the criteria.  We and hopefully the press will help, need to make
that case.

>  WOW what a
> group this is!  When I start ticking of our reservoir of talent, skill,
> education and passion I find no better or more important think tank in the world
> - ever.  Just start with Judith and Ellen, then move through with Roberto and
> Jefsey, switch to William and Michael, Joanna and Jeff, Roeland, David, Bret and
> all the names in between closing with Karl, Milton, Sotiris and Danny.  All we
> lack is the clear focus and singleness of purpose to achieve true global
> representativeness.

  Agreed here!  As you know Eric, the ICANN BoD and staff have purposefully
blocked any attempts by which this can be achieved, although they are
mandated by way of the White Paper and the MoU with DOC/NTIA
to do so.

>
>
> Now I am seeing the sub lists as a possible source of benefit.

  THe "Sublists" would only and have only served thus far to divide
not to unite...

> development of
> position papers to be streamlined into the media.  Not consensus based but just
> a place where the geniuses can write a position and someone has a list of
> interested media outlets and gets it out.  Look we are hamstrung by consensus
> and yet the BoD and Staff rule by fiat.  Lets start using their model and just
> publish, lets start declaring truth not arriving at it.

  Good idea here.  Get started Eric!  >;)

>
>
> Just some ideas,
> Eric
>
> Jeff wrote:
> Dave and all assembly members,
>
>   As we [INEGroup] had predicted, this task force, and I personally suspect
> the rest of them is just another white wash exercise for the purposes of
> selective censorship and self aggrandizement.
>
>   And the saga continues....
>
> DPF wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 15:33:33 EDT, DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:
> >
> > >There is no "Task Force".  There is only a slick effort on the part of Phil
> > >Sheppard to deny you your rights.  If you choose to remain complacent about
> > >it, that is your prerogative.  I, for one, intend to raise my voice.
> >
> > I didn't say I disagreed with your conclusions, just commented that a
> > frontal attack isn't always the best way to achieve one's goals.
> >
> > DPF
> > --
> Roeland Meyer wrote:
>
> > If that's the sort of stuff they are going to talk about then the MdR
> > meeting has no value-add for MHSC. If they are going to go into competition
> > with MHSC security services, then I have even more reason to stop
> > contribution to the ICANN process. If they are even going to think that they
> > can tell MHSC not to sell and run our zone servers then thay can PUAR and
> > show us the court order, and Sexton can be thankful that he's in Toronto. If
> > they're going to try and restrict distribution of the root zone file then
> > our FOIA papers are already filled out, since I've been expecting that move
> > for some time now.
>
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