RE: [ga] Songbird in the BC?

[Jefsey Morfin <jefsey@wanadoo.fr>]

Dear all,
I introduced Ken Crispin's membership point because he was questioning our 
right to question the structure he takes advantage from. It was only an 
example of some being more equal than others. Nothing more. I do not want 
Kent to be less than equal than others!  Just him to be less contemptuous: 
did he chose to join the BC or was him proposed to support Mike's attempt 
to BC Chairmanship (what I would certainly not oppose would it be according 
the rules and with a good outreach and development strategy).

1. Kent has full rights to be a BC Member. I only regret that BC is a 
goulag and we cannot talk together. I would have been very interested 
knowing that Songbird is a hobby for a civil servant. This makes him still 
a small business than me and an interesting experience we could all benefit 
from.

2. People as individuals may be members of any number of constituencies. 
Their organizations not. My point was that one catholic non-profit 
association I chair is denied right to join the NCDNHC because I am myself 
employed by a I own a tiny Member of the DNSO/BC. As if Kent was denied the 
BC because he is not full time. I only say that every organization and 
people must be equal. The same Kent has full right to cast a vote both for 
Songbird and for his sympathetic yacht club (I am a seaman), I should have 
the same right to represent and vote for Members of the same both 
constituencies.

3. Jamie, "constituency" has at least three meanings depending on the 
constitutional culture evolution of the country. It is who is to 
participate to a seat election and in the republican US the understanding 
is just that. In the land based UK monarchy the understanding has refined 
to the land organization: so you can only vote in the place you live in and 
cannot belong to several constituencies. In the French administrative based 
system, the constituency is something far more sophisticated which comes as 
a part of the whole national system, with bridges, exceptions, rules, 
structural services, etc... The initial thinking was legal (Joe Sims), ie. 
more British like. This created some misunderstandings with many people who 
thought in an US way. Evolution seems to be towards the US understanding by 
the bottom and towards the French understanding by the top. The solution 
would be to review the whole concept as the governance key building bock it 
actually is. FYI the equivalent to the US approach in French language is 
"college" and the observed ICANN reality is more like a community.

The solution is to consider Constituencies as center of interests. Anyone 
sharing into it can join and bring its complementary share. And that SOs 
are center of interests for constituencies. We have the scheme already well 
oiled with the DNS: constituencies are like SLDs and SOs like TLDs. Again 
the only debate is about the "single authoritative root": is the ICANN the 
master or the servant of the world? Is it an harmonious part of the 
governance or is it the dominance?

4. Danny, Kent has well responded: ISPs are access providers. Technically 
his response is right. In practical terms everyone on the web sells domain 
names, host people, permit access, etc.. directly or indirectly. The whole 
Joe Sims' rigid categorization system, constituency exclusions and 
resulting contract policy is absurd. Governance is management of non rigid 
systems, hierarchy with one-to-one relations tree (dialog) is totally 
outdated here. We are in a many-to-many (polylog) society for a long, and 
one of the world vehicle for that change is the Web. Blocking it as Joe 
Sims and ICANN do leads to real divides and probably to real instability in 
a lot of areas. What we have to understand is that the WTC was first a 
business data network operation center, a symbol to destroy because 
competition was not allowed. War is only the use of weapons in competition, 
some Chinese general explained that very well 3500 years ago. ICANN is to 
foster stability through competition: they guy who asked for that was a 
peacemaker and a genius.


Jefsey






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