RE: [ga] RE: DNSO Constituency Structure

[Roeland Meyer <rmeyer@mhsc.com>]

The entire concept of separating supply and demand is bogus, IMHO. There is
no instance of a pure supplier or a pure consumer, as organized entities.
This is also true of ISPs, every ISP has an ISP. There are upstreams,
downstreams, and peers. Other than the leaves, everyone else falls into this
and even the leaves can have off-topology downstreams and peers. We may look
at this as a hierarchy and we may sing the hierarchy mantra, but it is
really a network of networks and until we start looking at it that way we
will continue to FUBAR. Networks are not hierarchies.

|> -----Original Message-----
|> From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@verisign.com]
|> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 6:05 AM
|> To: 'Patrick Corliss'; Gomes, Chuck
|> Cc: [ga]
|> Subject: [ga] RE: DNSO Constituency Structure
|> 
|> 
|> Patrick,
|> 
|> I don't find any problem with your analysis.  In a purely dichotomous
|> situation (which I recognize does not exist) I would put the 
|> constituencies
|> you classify as NEITHER on the demand side; in other words, 
|> if there was
|> simply a choice between supply and demand, I personally 
|> think they are more
|> on the demand side.  In the case of the ccTLDs, I recognize 
|> that in many
|> cases they have some special obligations on the demand side 
|> but it is also
|> true with regard to some ccTLDs that they are almost totally 
|> on the supply
|> side and are even for profit organizations.
|> 
|> My primary point of course was to note that the NC is not 
|> dominated by those
|> on the supply side and in fact may be underrepresented when 
|> one considers
|> the amount of impact on registries and registrars (including ccTLDs).
|> 
|> Chuck
|> 
|> > -----Original Message-----
|> > From: Patrick Corliss [mailto:patrick@quad.net.au]
|> > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 2:08 AM
|> > To: Gomes, Chuck
|> > Cc: [ga]
|> > Subject: DNSO Constituency Structure
|> > 
|> > 
|> > On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 04:44:57 +1100, Patrick Corliss wrote:
|> > > At present the DNSO consists of seven constituency groups 
|> > as follows:
|> > >
|> > > *    ccTLD registries
|> > > *    Commercial and business entities
|> > > *    gTLD registries
|> > > *    ISPs and connectivity providers
|> > > *    Non-commercial domain name holders
|> > > *    Registrars
|> > > *    Trademark, intellectual property, 
|> anti-counterfeiting interests
|> > >
|> > > In relation to the supply and demand for domain names, only 
|> > two of these
|> > > seven could relate to the "demand-side" viz business and 
|> > non-profits.
|> > 
|> > On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:18:11 -0500, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
|> > 
|> > > Without detracting from your point about the individuals 
|> > consitutuency, it
|> > > seems to me that only 3 of the 7 constituencies 
|> represent suppliers:
|> > ccTLD,
|> > > gTLD and registrars.  The rest are all on the demand side.
|> > 
|> > Hi Chuck
|> > 
|> > I'd agree that ccTLDs are probably more likely to be on the 
|> > supply side but
|> > it is true, at least in the cause of .au, that auDA 
|> > represents both supply
|> > and demand.  It is reasonable to say they represent country 
|> > codes which do
|> > both.
|> > 
|> > ISPs and connectivity providers do not demand or supply 
|> > domain names per se.
|> > They provide a support service.  Really, they should be in a 
|> > "Technical"
|> > Supporting Organisation.   Trademarks are an odd one out.  
|> > They are both or
|> > neither as you wish.  So I see the following:
|> > 
|> > BOTH            ccTLD registries
|> > DEMAND    Commercial and business entities
|> > SUPPLY        gTLD registries
|> > NEITHER     ISPs and connectivity providers
|> > DEMAND    Non-commercial domain name holders
|> > SUPPLY        Registrars
|> > NEITHER    Trademark, intellectual property, 
|> > anti-counterfeiting interests
|> > 
|> > That's two for demand, two for supply and three for other.
|> > 
|> > Best regards
|> > Patrick Corliss
|> > 
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