Re: [ga] MP3 technical failure - Another "Load"

[jse@adamspat.com]

Mr. Williams:

I do not intend to give my personal number to you or to anyone else.  As I
mentioned in my earlier message, my participation in ICANN is purely
voluntary.  I will be more than willing to speak with you from my office on
Monday (provided you can be civil).  You are correct that I am today at
home.  I simply had checked my office e-mails from my home earlier (as I am
doing now) and responded to you.  I fail to see how my not being available
today should in anyway cause you suspicion.  I typically spend weekends with
my family. I appreciate the fact that you are anxious to discuss the NC call
that took place on Friday; however, my duties at ICANN are purely voluntary
and I feel no duty to sacrifice my family time to you or anyone else, unless
I feel there is a pressing need.  In this case, I think our discussion can
wait until Monday.  I apologize in advance if my position offends you --
that certainly is not my intent.

J. Scott Evans


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
To: <jse@adamspat.com>
Cc: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>; "Cade,Marilyn S -
LGA" <mcade@att.com>; <ga@dnso.org>; "Stuart Lynn" <lynn@icann.org>; "icann
board address" <icann-board@icann.org>; "NIPC" <nipc.watch@fbi.gov>
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] MP3 technical failure - Another "Load"


> Scott and all assembly members,
>
>   Scott the number listed on the web site you listed,
http://www.adamspat.com/
> is not your personal phone number ( [704] 375-9249 ).  It is also dam
> convenient of you to today as Saturday to finally leave some method
> by which you can be contacted.  The number [704] 375-9249 is for
> a law firm that I assume you are a partner in.  I left a very brief and
> unappreciative Phone mail message at your EXTENSION.  You sir,
> are I suspect hiding behind Phone Mail.  THAT does not engender
> trust.  I now DO NOT trust you.  I will file a complaint with the
> ABA and notify my personal Atty. today.  YOU sir are being
> purposefully misleading.  As such from this point on ANYTHING
> you may say is NOT to be believed.
> So much for honesty and transparency from you, and your participation
> on the ICP-3.  Lets see how Marilyn does...
>
> jse@adamspat.com wrote:
>
> > Jeff:
> >
> > I am unwilling to post my phone number on this list.  However, Danny
Younger
> > has my number and it can be found on my firm's web site (which I will
> > apologize in advance for b/c it is slightly pathetic).  The URL is
> > www.adamspat.com
> >
> > J. Scott Evans
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > To: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
> > Cc: "Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" <mcade@att.com>; <jse@adamspat.com>;
> > <ga@dnso.org>; "Stuart Lynn" <lynn@icann.org>; "icann board address"
> > <icann-board@icann.org>
> > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ga] MP3 technical failure - Another "Load"
> >
> > > Sotiris, Marilyn and all assembly members,
> > >
> > >   I have to agree again with Sotiris to a very great degree.  However
> > > Sotiris made a slight mistake at the end of his reply below by
> > > asking one of the same "Spinmiesters" that have created the mess
> > > in part how to proceed from here.  That is an invite to more
> > > spinmistering and non-productive nonsense or further damage
> > > to stakeholders...  So just asking for more brown fecal
> > > matter to be added to the existing "Load" is not what
> > > I hope you had in mind Sotiris..
> > >
> > >   BTW Marilyn and Scott still awaiting your phone call or
> > > real contact phone number, per your offers...  ???
> > >
> > > Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I understand "both".    .....and  I know that in order to move
ahead,
> > that
> > > > > Thomas and Alex and you, and others in the GA will need to be
engaged.
> > > >
> > > > Ok Marilyn, let's have a hear to heart.
> > > >
> > > > It is frustrating to hear that our input is desired and to
> > > > _know_ that heretofore our input has been glossed over and
> > > > completely ignored.  To ask a question and get spin in
> > > > return is enough to test anyone's patience, and these fora
> > > > are replete with just such instances of non
> > > > communication.  Many of us are simply tired of knocking on
> > > > the deaf person's door...
> > > >
> > > > > I agree that ICANN has significant problems/challenges.  It's not
easy
> > to be
> > > > > heard or to be effective... however, I attended an ITU Plenipot;
> > several
> > > > > OECD meetings, WIPO meetings....,many meetings of Parliaments and
of
> > US
> > > > > Congress...... After that, I can't envision a governmental
approach to
> > the
> > > > > management of these issues which moves quickly, provides broad
> > consensus
> > > > > development and is above nationalist perspectives. avoids
government
> > > > > encroachment into technical issues of the Internet.
> > > >
> > > > You make a good point here.  I too would hate to see
> > > > governments in charge, but with the prevailing US
> > > > corporate and DoC stranglehold over all things ICANN, it's
> > > > pretty difficult to see a difference between the frying
> > > > pan or the fire, so to speak.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I know that many think their voice isn't heard at ICANN - some
would
> > be
> > > > > amazed that the business community complains about the same
issue....
> > > > > but...here's our common challenge:
> > > > >
> > > > > --in multi lateral organizations, only governments have a voice.
You
> > may
> > > > > not think ICANN is much better, but I hope you will give it a
further
> > > > > chance. You can always devolve to governmental oversight.
> > > > >  And you can work now to make it better.
> > > >
> > > > Many of us have been trying to do so for four years.  Case
> > > > in point: At the request of others, I assumed the Chair of
> > > > the WG Review when Greg Burton did his deed and
> > > > mysteriously dropped out, we went on to produce a document
> > > > that was not even mentioned on the DNSO web site and was
> > > > clearly ignored by all of you in the NC. Instead, Theresa
> > > > Swineheart misrepresented the "public input" from the only
> > > > WG to ever produce 2! reports...  Since that time nothing
> > > > has changed in ICANN's methodologies -i.e. give token lip
> > > > service to public input and spin whatever angle you
> > > > please, citing the thousands of postings on the GA list as
> > > > credible input that has been taken into account.  When
> > > > this changes, perhaps many of us will take it upon
> > > > ourselves to start working to "make it better".  So, how
> > > > do you suggest we proceed?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> > > > Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> > > >         Hermes Network Inc.
> > > >         Toronto, Canada
> > > >
> > > > ----
> > > > direct: 416.422.1034
> > > >
> > > > icq: 34564103
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > --
> > > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > > Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!)
> > > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> > > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> > > Contact Number:  972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827
> > > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!)
> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> Contact Number:  972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827
> Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
>
>
>

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