Re: [ga] Re: http://www.dnso.org/icannatlarge/2002.ICANNATLARGE-Panel-vote.html

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Richard and all assembly members, stakeholders or interested parties,

  Richard I appreciate you point of view.  I also value it.  However
the ICANNATLARGE.COM is still the Joop-Pinder show
and will not be taken seriously with a paltry 771 members,
or even 5000 members.  It has no legal status, no funding
to speak of, no legitimate Account for donations, and has been
overly manipulated thus far.  As one of the early joiners of
ICANN ATLARGE.COM I am concerned for yet another
IDNO like affair given where it is now...

Richard Henderson wrote:

> Well I'm a candidate and I'm a complete outsider! And I've persuaded a good
> number of "outsiders" to join up at icannatlarge.com via their grassroots
> contact with me at The Internet Challenge - just ordinary end-users who
> believe that the general public should have greater representation in the
> way the Internet (and specifically) the DNS is run.
>
> Besides, the elections you're referring to are merely "elections to help
> prepare for elections". It's just the election of a working party to support
> the membership in its own initiatives around the world, encouraging growth
> and working out the way to proceed to longer term elections. After all these
> are elections for a three-month tenure!
>
> The bottom line is it's not about status but about function. I don't mind at
> all if other people get elected to do the work that needs doing. I won't
> lose any sleep. As an outsider, as a family man with a whole life beyond
> ICANN, I look in on so many of these forums and what do I see? Infighting,
> petty arguments, power struggles... all rich man's stuff... little
> empires...
>
> What really matters is a sane co-operative development of a resource for the
> whole world, AND ESPECIALLY for the poorest and least privileged. Those
> involved in ICANN should see it as a kind of stewardship, and they should
> insist on openness and the representation of the vast majority of the people
> in the world who use the internet.
>
> Icannatlarge.com is not for those who are already in power (and Danny sounds
> a good warning if that is what it was to become) : it is for those who
> haven't even got a computer yet, and those who have a single webpage, and
> those who have no webpages but value the internet and everything it offers.
>
> Icannatlarge.com is a much-needed balance to the corporate constituencies
> and vested interests... in the vacuum ICANN has created by deciding to
> remove public representation at Board level, icaanatlarge.com offers an
> honest co-operative focus for ordinary people. It's small... who knows, it
> may grow bigger. It's marginal... but so are most people in the world. I
> personally think it is a very interesting concept, and with a bit of
> imagination "outsiders" may find they can network and organise and find a
> voice - no, probably lots of voices.
>
> The most important reason why icannatlarge.com is immediately useful is as a
> signal to the power-groups INSIDE ICANN that there is a whole world of
> ordinary people who are THERE, under-represented but THERE... and NOT going
> away.
>
> It's a really good feeling, to believe in a bit of idealism, to put the
> focus on facilitation, on listening instead of telling, and to help instead
> of trying to dominate. At this stage, who gets elected is less important
> than what gets organised. It's more about helping each other, bouncing ideas
> off each other, sharing skills... to be quite honest, if someone desperately
> wanted to get elected because of a desire for power and influence, it would
> be a bit embarrassing, because it would be so out of step with the bottom-up
> co-operative impulse which at present is alive in this nascent group!
>
> Richard Henderson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> To: <dannyyounger@cs.com>
> Cc: <ga@dnso.org>; ICANN At Large Forum <forum@atlargestudy.org>; Joop
> Teernstra <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 5:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [ga] Re:
> http://www.dnso.org/icannatlarge/2002.ICANNATLARGE-Panel-vote.html
>
> > Danny and all assembly member, stakeholders or interested parties,
> >
> >   Unfortunately I have not received my E-Mail ballot.  I wonder when
> > those will be sent out?
> >
> > DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:
> >
> > > Now that the DNSO Secretariat has provided a website address to monitor
> the
> > > activities at icannatlarge.com, perhaps the DNSO could also provide a
> forum
> > > for the candidates that are standing for election -- so far all that I
> have
> > > noted are candidate statements with absolutely no debate whatsoever...
> the
> > > classic "beauty contest".
> > >
> > > Whomever is the most "popular" candidate, by dint of prior activities
> within
> > > the ICANN Supporting Organizations will surely get the nod, even though
> the
> > > the very first principle enumerated by the former Membership Advisory
> > > Committeee (MAC) stated:  At-large membership should primarily represent
> > > those individuals and organizations that are *not* represented by the
> > > Supporting Organizations.
> > >
> > > Will the At-Large ever become the home for those that are not
> represented
> > > within the SOs, or will it become nothing more than a new playground for
> > > those that already participate via the SO structures?   Are we doing
> nothing
> > > more than shuffling the deckchairs?
> > >
> > > An election process devoid of all debate does not portend well for the
> future
> > > of this icannatlarge.com organization...
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> > Regards,
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!)
> > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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> >
> >
> >

Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!)
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
Contact Number:  972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208


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