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Re: [ALSC-Forum] Re: [ga] Re: http://www.dnso.org/icannatlarge/2002.ICANNATLARGE-Panel-vote.html
Let me say that as I read it, Pindar declined his nomination to the
Supervisory Panel, and after the election is held, who knows? I've
seen some new names that have immediately exhibited substantial
skills, and real interest. The function of that Supervisory Panel is
precisely to carry out all of the things that you complain have not
yet been done, so I believe the complaint to be both uninformed
and premature. (When that chore is done, and the outreach program
can commence, I expect to see substantial more numbers of members.
And 771 without any real outreach ain't bad.)
Bill Lovell
Jeff Williams wrote:
3CC48546.3F90D2E2@ix.netcom.com">
Richard and all assembly members, stakeholders or interested parties,
Richard I appreciate you point of view. I also value it. However
the ICANNATLARGE.COM is still the Joop-Pinder show
and will not be taken seriously with a paltry 771 members,
or even 5000 members. It has no legal status, no funding
to speak of, no legitimate Account for donations, and has been
overly manipulated thus far. As one of the early joiners of
ICANN ATLARGE.COM I am concerned for yet another
IDNO like affair given where it is now...
Richard Henderson wrote:
Well I'm a candidate and I'm a complete outsider! And I've persuaded a good
number of "outsiders" to join up at icannatlarge.com via their grassroots
contact with me at The Internet Challenge - just ordinary end-users who
believe that the general public should have greater representation in the
way the Internet (and specifically) the DNS is run.
Besides, the elections you're referring to are merely "elections to help
prepare for elections". It's just the election of a working party to support
the membership in its own initiatives around the world, encouraging growth
and working out the way to proceed to longer term elections. After all these
are elections for a three-month tenure!
The bottom line is it's not about status but about function. I don't mind at
all if other people get elected to do the work that needs doing. I won't
lose any sleep. As an outsider, as a family man with a whole life beyond
ICANN, I loo
k in on so many of these forums and what do I see? Infighting,
petty arguments, power struggles... all rich man's stuff... little
empires...
What really matters is a sane co-operative development of a resource for the
whole world, AND ESPECIALLY for the poorest and least privileged. Those
involved in ICANN should see it as a kind of stewardship, and they should
insist on openness and the representation of the vast majority of the people
in the world who use the internet.
Icannatlarge.com is not for those who are already in power (and Danny sounds
a good warning if that is what it was to become) : it is for those who
haven't even got a computer yet, and those who have a single webpage, and
those who have no webpages but value the internet and everything it offers.
Icannatlarge.com is a much-needed balance to the corporate constituencies
and vested interests... in the vacuum ICANN has created by deciding to
remove public rep
resentation at Board level, icaanatlarge.com offers an
honest co-operative focus for ordinary people. It's small... who knows, it
may grow bigger. It's marginal... but so are most people in the world. I
personally think it is a very interesting concept, and with a bit of
imagination "outsiders" may find they can network and organise and find a
voice - no, probably lots of voices.
The most important reason why icannatlarge.com is immediately useful is as a
signal to the power-groups INSIDE ICANN that there is a whole world of
ordinary people who are THERE, under-represented but THERE... and NOT going
away.
It's a really good feeling, to believe in a bit of idealism, to put the
focus on facilitation, on listening instead of telling, and to help instead
of trying to dominate. At this stage, who gets elected is less important
than what gets organised. It's more about helping each other, bouncing ideas
off each other, sharing skill
s... to be quite honest, if someone desperately
wanted to get elected because of a desire for power and influence, it would
be a bit embarrassing, because it would be so out of step with the bottom-up
co-operative impulse which at present is alive in this nascent group!
Richard Henderson
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
To: <dannyyounger@cs.com>
Cc: <ga@dnso.org>; ICANN At Large Forum <forum@atlargestudy.org>; Joop
Teernstra <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:
http://www.dnso.org/icannatlarge/2002.ICANNATLARGE-Panel-vote.html
Danny and all assembly member, stakeholders or interested parties,
Unfortunately I have not received my E-Mail ballot. I wonder when
those will be sent out?
DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:
Now that the DNSO Secretariat has provided a website address to monitor
the
activities at icannatlarge.com, perhaps the DNSO could also provide a
forum
for the candidates that are standing for election -- so far all that I
have
noted are candidate statements with absolutely no debate whatsoever...
the
classic "beauty contest".
Whomever is the most "popular" candidate, by dint of prior activities
within
the ICANN Supporting Organizations will surely get the nod, even though
the
the very first principle enumerated by the former Membership Advisory
Committeee (MAC) stated: At-large membership should primarily represent
those individuals and organizations that are *not* represented by the
Supporting Organizations.
Will the At-Large ever become the home for those that are not
represented
within the SOs, or will it become nothing more than a new playground for
those that already participate via the SO structures? Are we doing
nothing
more than shuffling the deckchairs?
An election process devoid of all debate does not portend well for the
future
of this icannatlarge.com organization...
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CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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