Re: [ALSC-Forum] Re: [ga] Re: http://www.dnso.org/icannatlarge/2002.ICANNATLARGE-Panel-vote.html

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Eric and all assembly members, stakeholders of itnerested parties,

Eric Dierker wrote:

> I agree with what all three of you gentlemen have to say.
>
> I like the criticism it keeps us clean and on our toes to remain vigilante.
> numbers are only a small portion of doing it right.
> We have to start somewhere in order to get anywhere.

  The MOST important thing is that where one does start must be
on the right foot.  That has not happened with ICANNATLARGE.COM.

>
>
> I do not think I am an insider.  But perhaps to some I am.
>
> Sincerely,
> Eric
>
> > Let me say that as I read it, Pindar declined his nomination to the
> > Supervisory Panel, and after the election is held, who knows?  I've
> > seen some new names that have immediately exhibited substantial
> >skills, and real interest.  The function of that Supervisory Panel is
> >precisely to carry out all of the things that you complain have not yet
> >been done, so I believe the complaint to be both uninformed
> > and premature. (When that chore is done, and the outreach program
> > can commence, I expect to see substantial more numbers of members. And
> > 771 without any real outreach ain't bad.)
> >
> > Bill Lovell
> >
> > Jeff Williams wrote:
> >
> >>Richard and all assembly members, stakeholders or interested parties,
> >>
> >>  Richard I appreciate you point of view.  I also value it.  However
> >>the ICANNATLARGE.COM is still the Joop-Pinder show
> >>and will not be taken seriously with a paltry 771 members,
> >>or even 5000 members.  It has no legal status, no funding
> >>to speak of, no legitimate Account for donations, and has been
> >>overly manipulated thus far.  As one of the early joiners of
> >>ICANN ATLARGE.COM I am concerned for yet another
> >>IDNO like affair given where it is now...
> >>
> >>Richard Henderson wrote:
> >>
> >>>Well I'm a candidate and I'm a complete outsider! And I've persuaded a
> >>>good number of "outsiders" to join up at icannatlarge.com via their
> >>>grassroots contact with me at The Internet Challenge - just ordinary
> >>>end-users who believe that the general public should have greater
> >>>representation in the way the Internet (and specifically) the DNS is
> >>>run.
> >>>
> >>>Besides, the elections you're referring to are merely "elections to
> >>>help prepare for elections". It's just the election of a working party
> >>>to support the membership in its own initiatives around the world,
> >>>encouraging growth and working out the way to proceed to longer term
> >>>elections. After all these are elections for a three-month tenure!
> >>>
> >>>The bottom line is it's not about status but about function. I don't
> >>>mind at all if other people get elected to do the work that needs
> >>>doing. I won't lose any sleep. As an outsider, as a family man with a
> >>>whole life beyond ICANN, I look in on so many of these forums and what
> >>>do I see? Infighting, petty arguments, power struggles... all rich
> >>>man's stuff... little empires...
> >>>
> >>>What really matters is a sane co-operative development of a resource
> >>>for the whole world, AND ESPECIALLY for the poorest and least
> >>>privileged. Those involved in ICANN should see it as a kind of
> >>>stewardship, and they should insist on openness and the representation
> >>>of the vast majority of the people in the world who use the internet.
> >>>
> >>>Icannatlarge.com is not for those who are already in power (and Danny
> >>>sounds a good warning if that is what it was to become) : it is for
> >>>those who haven't even got a computer yet, and those who have a single
> >>>webpage, and those who have no webpages but value the internet and
> >>>everything it offers.
> >>>
> >>>Icannatlarge.com is a much-needed balance to the corporate
> >>>constituencies and vested interests... in the vacuum ICANN has created
> >>>by deciding to remove public representation at Board level,
> >>>icaanatlarge.com offers an honest co-operative focus for ordinary
> >>>people. It's small... who knows, it may grow bigger. It's marginal...
> >>>but so are most people in the world. I personally think it is a very
> >>>interesting concept, and with a bit of imagination "outsiders" may
> >>>find they can network and organise and find a voice - no, probably
> >>>lots of voices.
> >>>
> >>>The most important reason why icannatlarge.com is immediately useful
> >>>is as a signal to the power-groups INSIDE ICANN that there is a whole
> >>>world of ordinary people who are THERE, under-represented but THERE...
> >>>and NOT going away.
> >>>
> >>>It's a really good feeling, to believe in a bit of idealism, to put
> >>>the focus on facilitation, on listening instead of telling, and to
> >>>help instead of trying to dominate. At this stage, who gets elected is
> >>>less important than what gets organised. It's more about helping each
> >>>other, bouncing ideas off each other, sharing skills... to be quite
> >>>honest, if someone desperately wanted to get elected because of a
> >>>desire for power and influence, it would be a bit embarrassing,
> >>>because it would be so out of step with the bottom-up co-operative
> >>>impulse which at present is alive in this nascent group!
> >>>
> >>>Richard Henderson
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> >>>To: <dannyyounger@cs.com>
> >>>Cc: <ga@dnso.org>; ICANN At Large Forum <forum@atlargestudy.org>; Joop
> >>>Teernstra <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>
> >>>Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 5:06 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [ga] Re:
> >>>http://www.dnso.org/icannatlarge/2002.ICANNATLARGE-Panel-vote.html
> >>>
> >>>>Danny and all assembly member, stakeholders or interested parties,
> >>>>
> >>>>  Unfortunately I have not received my E-Mail ballot.  I wonder when
> >>>>those will be sent out?
> >>>>
> >>>>DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Now that the DNSO Secretariat has provided a website address to
> >>>>>monitor
> >>>>>
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>>>activities at icannatlarge.com, perhaps the DNSO could also provide
> >>>>>a
> >>>>>
> >>>forum
> >>>
> >>>>>for the candidates that are standing for election -- so far all that
> >>>>>I
> >>>>>
> >>>have
> >>>
> >>>>>noted are candidate statements with absolutely no debate
> >>>>>whatsoever...
> >>>>>
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>>>classic "beauty contest".
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Whomever is the most "popular" candidate, by dint of prior
> >>>>>activities
> >>>>>
> >>>within
> >>>
> >>>>>the ICANN Supporting Organizations will surely get the nod, even
> >>>>>though
> >>>>>
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>>>the very first principle enumerated by the former Membership
> >>>>>Advisory Committeee (MAC) stated:  At-large membership should
> >>>>>primarily represent those individuals and organizations that are
> >>>>>*not* represented by the Supporting Organizations.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Will the At-Large ever become the home for those that are not
> >>>>>
> >>>represented
> >>>
> >>>>>within the SOs, or will it become nothing more than a new playground
> >>>>>for those that already participate via the SO structures?   Are we
> >>>>>doing
> >>>>>
> >>>nothing
> >>>
> >>>>>more than shuffling the deckchairs?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>An election process devoid of all debate does not portend well for
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>
> >>>future
> >>>
> >>>>>of this icannatlarge.com organization...
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> >>>>Regards,
> >>>>--
> >>>>Jeffrey A. Williams
> >>>>Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!)
> >>>>CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>--
> >>Jeffrey A. Williams
> >>Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!)
> >>CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
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Jeffrey A. Williams
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CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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