Re: [ALSC-Forum] Re: [ga] Re: http://www.dnso.org/icannatlarge/2002.ICANNATLARGE-Panel-vote.html

[Eric Dierker <eric@hi-tek.com>]

I am very pleased that many are doing a job and getting it done.
My hat is off to these fine folks that work so hard.
Jeff, keep up your criticism, it is a sure way to cause transparency or 
prove the lack thereof.
I wish I had more time to contribute but alas, I fly to Hanoi today to work 
on achieving even lower internet rates and accessibility.
"Those who can do!, those who cannot criticize." ed 2002

Thank you,
Eric

> Vittorio:
> 
> I'm glad to see that you took this one opportunity to set the record 
> straight on what it
> takes to create something other than the ad hoc fly-by-night, 
> disorganized thing that
> we've seen in the past. However, to keep this kind of progress going, 
> let me gently
>suggest that from here on out these kinds of posts that merely throw 
>rotten tomatoes
> and make no contribution whatever should be totally ignored. Every 
> worthwhile effort
> has the usual little pack of nay-sayers nipping at the edges, for 
> whatever reason, and
> the best thing to do, methinks, is just ignore them. I am fighting off 
> the temptation to
> analyze the psyches of nay-sayers, as to why they won't instead join
> the  effort in a
> positive way, and so as to succeed therein I shall say no more!
> 
> Bill Lovell
> 
> Vittorio Bertola wrote:
> 
>>On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:31:22 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>> The MOST important thing is that where one does start must be
>>>on the right foot.  That has not happened with ICANNATLARGE.COM.
>>>
>>
>>Jeff,
>>
>>I have been one of the active members on icannatlarge.com since the
>>beginning, and I can tell you that it has been so damn hard even to
>>*get* to these elections. It cost me and other people (ie Thomas
>>Roessler and Alexander Svensson) days and days of work preparing and
>>discussing things, pushing for them to actually be done, finding
>>resources (for example, a third party voting system), and keeping
>>together Joop and a temporary panel of very busy and traveling people,
>>though quite active.
>>
>>For example, Joop has been doing a great amount of work both with us
>>and on his own, and nevertheless he's not the easiest person to work
>>with, and there have been times when I didn't like at all what he was
>>doing, and we even got to flame about it. However, in the end we could
>>find an agreement that was acceptable to anyone, and though it didn't
>>completely satisfy any of us, it allowed us to proceed - and this
>>because we shared the goal to build an open effort that would allow to
>>all interested individual users of the net to self-organize, and even
>>if we didn't agree on every detail of the meaning of the words "open"
>>and "self-organize", each one accepted to sacrifice something of his
>>personal views to get to a working compromise.
>>
>>It would have been much easier for any of us to put up his own site,
>>register a few friends, and claim to be the King of the At Large. It
>>would have been even easier to flood mailing lists with complaints or
>>suspicions or pure white noise. So I know that there are many things we
>>did on which you, or others, might not agree. But if you want to build
>>something suitable for thousands of people from hundreds of countries,
>>you cannot think that it has to be like you alone conceive it. 
>>
>>The same applies to these elections. Yes, I am worried about the lack
>>of a proper debate among candidates (by the way, I am here, please ask
>>whatever you want); yes, I fear that voters will again choose people by
>>country or by sky-high slogans, rather than by their practicality,
>>enthusiasm and skills; yes, I fear that not all candidates might have
>>succeeded in presenting themselves at their best (some didn't even send
>>a statement...) so that voters won't be able to make an informed
>>choice. But then, you have to try if you want to succeed. You cannot
>>build a house only by talking, or by criticizing the colour of the
>>walls. If you had other views about how things should be done, you
>>should have run as a candidate, or posted alternative proposals.
>>Otherwise, please let us work.


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