Re: [ga] Re: [WLS Conference Call]

[eric@hi-tek.com]

Well although it is at some ungodly hour for my work in SouthEast Asia I will try to
attend today's meeting.

Let us give Kudos to Mr. Gomes, he has acted as a gentlemen in arguing an untenable
position.

Let us detract from the right and honourable Ms. Cade as she has sunk to new depths
supporting said position.

Let us hope that proceedings today are more aligned with truth.

"anti-consumer and anti-competition."  These are the points to be dealt with poste
haste, and they are most certainly policy issues as well alluded to by past chair Mr.
Younger.

Some folks slanderously malign the Norton group by implying that they come up with
viruses, and some would suggest a similar tactic used by Verisign to come up with
this little nugget called the WLS.  And my goodness look at what the Justice
department says of Microsoft.

We must stop these vicious attacks by stopping the systems that allow such
probabilities to exist.  ICANN must finally step to the plate and breach this wave of
"anti-consumer and anti-competition." behavior.  If for no other reason than the
appearance of propriety.

Sincerely,
Eric

Jeff Williams wrote:

> Eric and all assembly members,
>
>   You should have participated in the teleconference Eric.  I am sure
> you were missed!  >;)  You also missed a what I thought were the
> two best prepared statements or presentation statements.  One
> was Chuck Gomes and the other was from Loren Stocker.
>
>   I thought Loren's although scathing towards Verisign and
> their WLS proposal, was quite accurate in a number of areas
> of interest except one, that being the IP part of Lauren's
> presentation/prepaired statement.  For more see:
> http://www.identities.com/vanity/WLSCAM.htm
> Well done Loren!
>
>   It was also pretty clear that Chuck's presentation or
> prepared statement was very good as well and more
> than adequately represented Verisigns position, which
> was what would be expected as in support of WLS.
> However under some questioning, Chuck came up a
> little short on answers and had no answer on one
> question put to him...  And deflected one of my
> questions regarding Registrant approval or position...
> Almost well done Chuck!  >;)  Keep plugging...
>
> eric@hi-tek.com wrote:
>
> > I completely support Dons' statement here.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > Don Brown wrote:
> >
> > > George,
> > >
> > > I thought you did a good, and upstanding, job at explaining the
> > > problems with WLS.  The two most disturbing are effectively
> > > anti-consumer and anti-competition.
> > >
> > > Those folks with nothing to gain, see the whole picture, including the
> > > downside.  You are, obviously, one of them.
> > >
> > > Personally, I support your view 100%.  WLS should have been a
> > > non-issued long ago.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Tuesday, May 21, 2002, 3:59:43 PM, Loren Stocker <loren@800.net> wrote:
> > > LS> Hi George,
> > >
> > > LS> Great question today!!!!
> > >
> > > LS> There is no answer. It's like asking a drunk, "what would it take to quit
> > > LS> drinking?"
> > >
> > > LS> Best, Loren
> > > LS> The Most Evil One!
> > > LS> www.EVIL.biz
> > >
> > > LS> George Kirikos <gkirikos@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > LS> Hi folks,
> > >
> > > LS> It was nice to hear some of you today at the WLS conference call. My
> > > LS> own statement is at:
> > >
> > > LS> http://www.loffs.com/wls/
> > >
> > > LS> for anyone who might have missed the call (I gave the URL
> > > LS> www.intangibles.com during the call, but will take it down from there
> > > LS> in a few days), although I deviated from my statement a few times.
> > > LS> Transcripts were taken, so everyone can read those when they are ready.
> > >
> > > LS> In summary, Verisign saw absolutely *no* support from participants of
> > > LS> the call, and some extremely strong opposition. I was particularly
> > > LS> pleased to see that Dotster (who runs NameWinner) intends to take legal
> > > LS> action, in the unlikely scenario that WLS is approved, to block it. I
> > > LS> applaud them, and would support their effort. Nice to hear from Paul
> > > LS> Stahura, Thomas, the two Dans, Rick Wesson, Loren, Jeff, Danny,
> > > LS> Marilyn, and others too. :)
> > >
> > > LS> Near the end of the call, I asked Chuck Gomes the simple question
> > > LS> "Under what conditions would Verisign pull the proposal from the table,
> > > LS> given the huge opposition to it." He had no answer. Maybe Verisign
> > > LS> never imagines a scenario where they can't get their way. I look
> > > LS> forward to tomorrow's call, to see if he has an answer then.
> > >
> > > LS> My prediction is that given the overwhelming opposition displayed ICANN
> > > LS> will decide to invoke the formal consensus process for this proposal.
> > > LS> Hopefully other related issues, such as a Uniform Deletions Policy, and
> > > LS> better WHOIS information, will be addressed at that time. Assuming
> > > LS> Verisign doesn't sue ICANN, I figure that consensus process would take
> > > LS> 3 to 6 months, and not come out in favour of WLS in any event.
> > >
> > > LS> Sincerely,
> > >
> > > LS> George Kirikos
> > > LS> http://www.kirikos.com/
> > >
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