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Re: [ga] New Sheriff in town


Eric and all remaining assembly members,

Eric Dierker wrote:

> Let us get it on and I ask you to join in an earlier post.
>
>        The procedure set forth at http://www.bitshift.org/rror.shtml are good
>        procedures which can be adopted.  Then they can be modified as problems
>        arise.

  Sorry to say, but your URL is "Not Found".  You sure you have the right
URL Eric?

>
>
>        Based upon my broad based survey of all working group, committee, SO, GA
>        list archives I found the most amount of argument time spent on two
>        subjects.
>
>        1. History: Basically how did something come about, what was intended
>        and who was responsible.
>
>        2. Definition: Entire threads get misdirected because the two sides
>        cannot come up with an agreed upon meaning of what is being said.

  Well I must agree with number one, but not Number two....

>
>
>        Neither of these two areas have produced positive results EVER!!

  Agreed here as it relates to #1.  However this is due to several factors.
Our survey has indicated that the lack of positive results is mostly
centered in a propensity of denial, by in large...

> Yet it is what the majority of time, like about 85% is spent on. A review of
>        the last House Hearings and the ones underway lead to the same numbers
>        and the same result.

  Well I didn't get the impression from the House Hearings myself...

>
>
>        The other results are aggravation from the process leading to lack of
>        participation.  An interesting phenomenon is that the bitterness which
>        pervades so many discussions does not diminish the activity, but it does
>        narrow the participation.
>
>        My conclusion at this point is that before moving on and establishing
>        set rules and procedures, as in agreed to histories and definitions,
>        each group simply appoint marshals for both of these areas.  Elect your
>        internal chair and they appoint their marshals.  Just like the old west,
>        before the laws could be written down that would cover the situations,
>        the elected mayors would simply hire marshals to keep the peace.
>        Of course the marshal would just say ok gentlemen lets take this off
>        list and we will agree on moving forward before getting back on list. No
>        problem the dissenter gets to post one objection to the marshals
>        position but then we move on.
>
>        Sincerely,
>        Wyatt Earp
>
> Ok this is ridiculous?  I  think is better and Dassa and Joanna woul make great Marshals,
> they are faster draws than any -post  I have seen.
>
> Ultreya,
>
> Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> > Eric and all remaining assembly members,
> >
> >   I agree with you here Eric.  Those that wish to bring the problems
> > with the IDNO and a few of it's more vocal and disruptive and destructive
> > voices, should keep their internal squabbling in their own house.  I believe
> > that Joop has also called for this as have I.
> >
> > Eric Dierker wrote:
> >
> > > This is way out of the arena of speaking in this GA, unless someone can bring it into
> > > focus.  Some folks will go to any lengths to continue distructive threads. I think
> > > mayber Sotiris you should ignore the babies.
> > > Sotiropoulos wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jeff et al.,
> > > >
> > > > I would rather he didn't.  I don't want to offend
> > > > anybody, but I think this is hardly the forum for
> > > > such postings.  Perhaps, I am wrong?  But, I don't
> > > > think I am...  I would very much prefer to leave
> > > > what has relevance to the IDNO ML, to the IDNO
> > > > ML.  After all, in *point of fact* I have not
> > > > ANYWHERE seen, read, or heard anything that would
> > > > lead me to believe that should an IDNH
> > > > Constituency be added to the DNSO, that the IDNO
> > > > is even a remote candidate for the position of
> > > > such an appendage.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> > > >         Hermes Network, Inc.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Sotiris and all remaining assembly members,
> > > > >
> > > > >   An excellent question, Sotiris.  Possibly Andy Gardner can answer
> > > > > you questions and share it with everyone here?   Andy, care to
> > > > > answer Sotiris's excellent question?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sotiropoulos wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Andy Gardner wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > At 6:00 pm +1300 2/10/01, Joop Teernstra wrote:
> > > > > > > >At 10:48 10/02/01 +1100, Dassa wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>Mistakes made on one forum and repeated elsewhere are relevant to all.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Possibly. There are a number of lessons to be learnt from the IDNO
> > > > > > > >experiment in open democracy and I am certainly one who is learning them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Evidence suggests that you have not learnt a single thing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >One is that constant personal abuse drives all serious participants off and
> > > > > > > >leaves only those who, in the words of Alan McCluskey
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For an example of personal abuse within the IDNO (In fact, possibly the
> > > > > > > very first incident), one only needs to read the following email sent by
> > > > > > > Joop to selected members of the IDNO (included quotes snipped for brevity).
> > > > > > > Note the date it was sent:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What does this drivel have to do with the GA or ICANN?  If *nothing at all*,
> > > > > > then WHY am I receiving this garbage through the GA ML?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > SS
> > > > > > HN, Inc.
> > > > > >
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> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > > > > Spokesman INEGroup (Over 112k members strong!)
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> >
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> > Jeffrey A. Williams
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Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman INEGroup (Over 112k members strong!)
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
Contact Number:  972-447-1800 x1894 or 9236 fwd's to home ph#
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208


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