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Re: [ga] New Sheriff in town
Eric and all remaining assembly members,
Eric Dierker wrote:
> Let us get it on and I ask you to join in an earlier post.
>
> The procedure set forth at http://www.bitshift.org/rror.shtml are good
> procedures which can be adopted. Then they can be modified as problems
> arise.
Sorry to say, but your URL is "Not Found". You sure you have the right
URL Eric?
>
>
> Based upon my broad based survey of all working group, committee, SO, GA
> list archives I found the most amount of argument time spent on two
> subjects.
>
> 1. History: Basically how did something come about, what was intended
> and who was responsible.
>
> 2. Definition: Entire threads get misdirected because the two sides
> cannot come up with an agreed upon meaning of what is being said.
Well I must agree with number one, but not Number two....
>
>
> Neither of these two areas have produced positive results EVER!!
Agreed here as it relates to #1. However this is due to several factors.
Our survey has indicated that the lack of positive results is mostly
centered in a propensity of denial, by in large...
> Yet it is what the majority of time, like about 85% is spent on. A review of
> the last House Hearings and the ones underway lead to the same numbers
> and the same result.
Well I didn't get the impression from the House Hearings myself...
>
>
> The other results are aggravation from the process leading to lack of
> participation. An interesting phenomenon is that the bitterness which
> pervades so many discussions does not diminish the activity, but it does
> narrow the participation.
>
> My conclusion at this point is that before moving on and establishing
> set rules and procedures, as in agreed to histories and definitions,
> each group simply appoint marshals for both of these areas. Elect your
> internal chair and they appoint their marshals. Just like the old west,
> before the laws could be written down that would cover the situations,
> the elected mayors would simply hire marshals to keep the peace.
> Of course the marshal would just say ok gentlemen lets take this off
> list and we will agree on moving forward before getting back on list. No
> problem the dissenter gets to post one objection to the marshals
> position but then we move on.
>
> Sincerely,
> Wyatt Earp
>
> Ok this is ridiculous? I think is better and Dassa and Joanna woul make great Marshals,
> they are faster draws than any -post I have seen.
>
> Ultreya,
>
> Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> > Eric and all remaining assembly members,
> >
> > I agree with you here Eric. Those that wish to bring the problems
> > with the IDNO and a few of it's more vocal and disruptive and destructive
> > voices, should keep their internal squabbling in their own house. I believe
> > that Joop has also called for this as have I.
> >
> > Eric Dierker wrote:
> >
> > > This is way out of the arena of speaking in this GA, unless someone can bring it into
> > > focus. Some folks will go to any lengths to continue distructive threads. I think
> > > mayber Sotiris you should ignore the babies.
> > > Sotiropoulos wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jeff et al.,
> > > >
> > > > I would rather he didn't. I don't want to offend
> > > > anybody, but I think this is hardly the forum for
> > > > such postings. Perhaps, I am wrong? But, I don't
> > > > think I am... I would very much prefer to leave
> > > > what has relevance to the IDNO ML, to the IDNO
> > > > ML. After all, in *point of fact* I have not
> > > > ANYWHERE seen, read, or heard anything that would
> > > > lead me to believe that should an IDNH
> > > > Constituency be added to the DNSO, that the IDNO
> > > > is even a remote candidate for the position of
> > > > such an appendage.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> > > > Hermes Network, Inc.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Sotiris and all remaining assembly members,
> > > > >
> > > > > An excellent question, Sotiris. Possibly Andy Gardner can answer
> > > > > you questions and share it with everyone here? Andy, care to
> > > > > answer Sotiris's excellent question?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sotiropoulos wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Andy Gardner wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > At 6:00 pm +1300 2/10/01, Joop Teernstra wrote:
> > > > > > > >At 10:48 10/02/01 +1100, Dassa wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>Mistakes made on one forum and repeated elsewhere are relevant to all.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Possibly. There are a number of lessons to be learnt from the IDNO
> > > > > > > >experiment in open democracy and I am certainly one who is learning them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Evidence suggests that you have not learnt a single thing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >One is that constant personal abuse drives all serious participants off and
> > > > > > > >leaves only those who, in the words of Alan McCluskey
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For an example of personal abuse within the IDNO (In fact, possibly the
> > > > > > > very first incident), one only needs to read the following email sent by
> > > > > > > Joop to selected members of the IDNO (included quotes snipped for brevity).
> > > > > > > Note the date it was sent:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What does this drivel have to do with the GA or ICANN? If *nothing at all*,
> > > > > > then WHY am I receiving this garbage through the GA ML?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > SS
> > > > > > HN, Inc.
> > > > > >
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> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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