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Re: [ga] Re: [announce] GA election to designate its representative to the NC Review TF
Eric Dierker and I agree on something. Whammo. Consensus again.
The question of where that list of appointees came from had surfaced
with me, too.
Eric Dierker wrote:
> If you want to go on this matter, then ask who appointed the watchdog committee! Therein
> lies the non-open and non-transparent and non-bottoms - up process. Let us see Danny is
> out for the count, did the names council appoint? No it must of been the Monitors. No that
> can't be right let us look at the rules - Was it the Secretariat? I think it was by
> consensus but whos consensus.
>
> You get the answer to this question and pin it down and the GA is on the road to recovery.
Well, I wouldn't go quite that far! But it would certainly be a step in the right direction.
The
Secretariat kindly resolved one issue for us, so perhaps it would be kind enough to explain
how all that came about.
Cheers,
Bill Lovell
>
>
> Sincerely
>
> "William S. Lovell" wrote:
>
> > Eric Dierker wrote:
> >
> > > I certainly hope this ruffles some feathers while not hurting anyones feelings.
> > >
> > > I like the *WatchDog* committee. I like who is on it. I trust them to act just
> > > exactly how we may predict them to act. When one of us dotcommoners is placed in the
> > > proper position I want the world to know that they carried the heart to make it
> > > through that gauntlet. I want them to be a BraveHeart. After we elected Danny I have
> > > no fear, we will not elect a partyliner.*
> > >
> > > I am not saying that Dr. Lovell is wrong
> >
> > Yeah, right.
> >
> > > I simply say let them stack the deck we will
> > > still win this battle.
> >
> > Oldest and smelliest trick in politics: accuse the other side of that
> > which you yourself are doing. Again trying to keep Kent Crispin's
> > role out of this, since he's not been heard from, it is fundamental to
> > all law and to all democratic processes that a man cannot serve as
> > judge of his own case, so no one can be a watchdog of an election
> > in which that person is him/herself a candidate. I should think the
> > ploy to be so transparent that even the halt and feeble would spot
> > it in an instant, and the issue would warrant no further discussion:
> > Mr. Crispin either refuses his nomination or is removed from the
> > watchdog committee, and I'm assuming that having been put in
> > that position is no doing of his own.
> >
> > (Proof again that the GA is an underdeveloped country, in which
> > every unsophisticated, immature, juvenile, dirty trick will be tried
> > out.)
> >
> > Bill Lovell
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Danny has been gone for far longer than necessary to fix the problem he described.
> > > Whoever takes this post will have the heck of it to survive but I want that person to
> > > take our agenda and hurt themselves further to get it done.
> > >
> > > Best to all, -vote
> > > Eric the worried
> > >
> > > "William S. Lovell" wrote:
> > >
> > > > And I agree. Clearly, one cannot oversee the fairness of an election or
> > > > nomination process in which one has already been nominated. Without
> > > > any reference to Kent Crispin himself, of course, the "fairness" of the
> > > > nomination process could be manipulated so that those persons whom
> > > > the nominee thought might be a "dangerous" candidates against that
> > > > person's own ambitions could be "disqualified" for trumped-up reasons.
> > > >
> > > > (Unless, of course, the nominee's nomination was refused.)
> > > >
> > > > If the DNSO does not have a rule which removes candidates on
> > > > anything from any watchdog role over the particular election in which
> > > > the person is a candidate, it should be drafting one right now.
> > > >
> > > > Bill Lovell
> > > >
> > > > L Gallegos wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > IMO, that's a conflict.
> > > > >
> > > > > Leah
> > > > >
> > > > > On 25 Jun 2001, at 11:17, Joop Teernstra wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > At 12:29 24/06/01 +0200, DNSO Secretariat wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any instances of fraudulent nominations should be reported to this
> > > > > > > committee at the following email address: ga-watchdog@dnso.org, with a
> > > > > > > copy to the Names Council at council@dnso.org, This committee and the
> > > > > > > Names Council shall have the sole discretion as to how to deal with any
> > > > > > > such reported activity.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Watchdog Committee list archive in
> > > > > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-watchdog/Arc00/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The members to the Watchdog Committee in 2001 election are:
> > > > > > > o Roberto Gaetano
> > > > > > > o Harald Alvestrand
> > > > > > > o Kent Crispin
> > > > > > > o Dany Vandromme
> > > > > > > o Alexander Svensson
> > > > > > > o Izumi Aizu
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But Kent Crispin has just been nominated as a candidate himself by Ken Stubbs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can he be a watchdog while being a candidate?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Joop--
> > > > > > Founder of the Cyberspace Association.
> > > > > > Former bootstrap of the IDNO (www.idno.org)
> > > > > > Developer of The Polling Booth
> > > > > > www.democracy.org.nz
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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