[ga] We have a problem ...

[Roeland Meyer <rmeyer@mhsc.com>]

We have a problem. It seems that someone has included
support@bulkregister.com into the mailer-list. Can we please fix it so that
I stop getting these failure notices everytime I post to the GA?

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|> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 9:36 AM
|> To: Roeland Meyer
|> Subject: RE: RE: [ga] RE: DNSO Constituency Structure --- FAILURE
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|> >From: Roeland Meyer <rmeyer@mhsc.com>
|> >To: "'Gomes, Chuck'" <cgomes@verisign.com>,
|> >        "'Patrick Corliss'"
|> >	 <patrick@quad.net.au>
|> >Cc: "[ga]" <ga@dnso.org>
|> >Subject: RE: [ga] RE: DNSO Constituency Structure
|> >Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:14:22 -0800
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|> >The entire concept of separating supply and demand is 
|> bogus, IMHO. There is
|> >no instance of a pure supplier or a pure consumer, as 
|> organized entities.
|> >This is also true of ISPs, every ISP has an ISP. There are 
|> upstreams,
|> >downstreams, and peers. Other than the leaves, everyone 
|> else falls into this
|> >and even the leaves can have off-topology downstreams and 
|> peers. We may look
|> >at this as a hierarchy and we may sing the hierarchy 
|> mantra, but it is
|> >really a network of networks and until we start looking at 
|> it that way we
|> >will continue to FUBAR. Networks are not hierarchies.
|> >
|> >|> -----Original Message-----
|> >|> From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@verisign.com]
|> >|> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 6:05 AM
|> >|> To: 'Patrick Corliss'; Gomes, Chuck
|> >|> Cc: [ga]
|> >|> Subject: [ga] RE: DNSO Constituency Structure
|> >|> 
|> >|> 
|> >|> Patrick,
|> >|> 
|> >|> I don't find any problem with your analysis.  In a 
|> purely dichotomous
|> >|> situation (which I recognize does not exist) I would put the 
|> >|> constituencies
|> >|> you classify as NEITHER on the demand side; in other words, 
|> >|> if there was
|> >|> simply a choice between supply and demand, I personally 
|> >|> think they are more
|> >|> on the demand side.  In the case of the ccTLDs, I recognize 
|> >|> that in many
|> >|> cases they have some special obligations on the demand side 
|> >|> but it is also
|> >|> true with regard to some ccTLDs that they are almost totally 
|> >|> on the supply
|> >|> side and are even for profit organizations.
|> >|> 
|> >|> My primary point of course was to note that the NC is not 
|> >|> dominated by those
|> >|> on the supply side and in fact may be underrepresented when 
|> >|> one considers
|> >|> the amount of impact on registries and registrars 
|> (including ccTLDs).
|> >|> 
|> >|> Chuck
|> >|> 
|> >|> > -----Original Message-----
|> >|> > From: Patrick Corliss [mailto:patrick@quad.net.au]
|> >|> > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 2:08 AM
|> >|> > To: Gomes, Chuck
|> >|> > Cc: [ga]
|> >|> > Subject: DNSO Constituency Structure
|> >|> > 
|> >|> > 
|> >|> > On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 04:44:57 +1100, Patrick Corliss wrote:
|> >|> > > At present the DNSO consists of seven constituency groups 
|> >|> > as follows:
|> >|> > >
|> >|> > > *    ccTLD registries
|> >|> > > *    Commercial and business entities
|> >|> > > *    gTLD registries
|> >|> > > *    ISPs and connectivity providers
|> >|> > > *    Non-commercial domain name holders
|> >|> > > *    Registrars
|> >|> > > *    Trademark, intellectual property, 
|> >|> anti-counterfeiting interests
|> >|> > >
|> >|> > > In relation to the supply and demand for domain names, only 
|> >|> > two of these
|> >|> > > seven could relate to the "demand-side" viz business and 
|> >|> > non-profits.
|> >|> > 
|> >|> > On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:18:11 -0500, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
|> >|> > 
|> >|> > > Without detracting from your point about the individuals 
|> >|> > consitutuency, it
|> >|> > > seems to me that only 3 of the 7 constituencies 
|> >|> represent suppliers:
|> >|> > ccTLD,
|> >|> > > gTLD and registrars.  The rest are all on the demand side.
|> >|> > 
|> >|> > Hi Chuck
|> >|> > 
|> >|> > I'd agree that ccTLDs are probably more likely to be on the 
|> >|> > supply side but
|> >|> > it is true, at least in the cause of .au, that auDA 
|> >|> > represents both supply
|> >|> > and demand.  It is reasonable to say they represent country 
|> >|> > codes which do
|> >|> > both.
|> >|> > 
|> >|> > ISPs and connectivity providers do not demand or supply 
|> >|> > domain names per se.
|> >|> > They provide a support service.  Really, they should be in a 
|> >|> > "Technical"
|> >|> > Supporting Organisation.   Trademarks are an odd one out.  
|> >|> > They are both or
|> >|> > neither as you wish.  So I see the following:
|> >|> > 
|> >|> > BOTH            ccTLD registries
|> >|> > DEMAND    Commercial and business entities
|> >|> > SUPPLY        gTLD registries
|> >|> > NEITHER     ISPs and connectivity providers
|> >|> > DEMAND    Non-commercial domain name holders
|> >|> > SUPPLY        Registrars
|> >|> > NEITHER    Trademark, intellectual property, 
|> >|> > anti-counterfeiting interests
|> >|> > 
|> >|> > That's two for demand, two for supply and three for other.
|> >|> > 
|> >|> > Best regards
|> >|> > Patrick Corliss
|> >|> > 
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