Re: [ga] MP3 technical failure - Another "Load"

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Scott and all assembly members,

jse@adamspat.com wrote:

> Mr. Williams:
>
> I do not intend to give my personal number to you or to anyone else.

  Fine, than provide a number as you said you would where you can
actually be contacted at!

> As I
> mentioned in my earlier message, my participation in ICANN is purely
> voluntary.  I will be more than willing to speak with you from my office on
> Monday (provided you can be civil).

  I am always civil.  I am not however able to be intimidated.  Clear?
And I do not appreciate being mislead as you have done, and you know
you have.

>  You are correct that I am today at
> home.

  Then use call forwarding when you make such agreements.  At least
try to behave like a professional...

>  I simply had checked my office e-mails from my home earlier (as I am
> doing now) and responded to you.  I fail to see how my not being available
> today should in anyway cause you suspicion.

  Well than you are not a very bright fellow.  YOU said on Friday that you could

be contacted (Yet in that post did not provide a contact number) so I took
you up on your offer and in doing so ask directly for a contact number
where you could be reached as well as gave you a number where I can
be directly contacted.  You did not contact me, so I again inquired
in a separate response on this thread.  Still you did not response on that
same friday evening.  I also did the same with Marilyn's offer.  Same
run around.  Are you now getting the picture?  Or are you going to still
play stupid?  Than today you gave your website as indicated that
your contact number was on the web site.  So I went and looked,
and called the number (See below response).  And what do you know!
It was not you contact number at all it was an Law office number.
I followed the voice mail instructions and got you EXTENSION,
of course you did not answer as I suspected, so again, that was NOT
you contact number but and extension of the Law office number.
Very misleading after saying you would could be contacted by phone.
Obviously that is not exactly accurate, now is it?  And you even
had my number to contact me.  Very unprofessional, purposefully misleading
and frankly not very ethical either...  Hence my suspicion, and statement
that I believe you are hiding behind you voice mail at a minimum.  Of course
Mairlyn hasn't even provided any phone number, contact type of not...
Are you clear now Mister, as to why that created suspicion?  Hummm?

>  I typically spend weekends with
> my family.

  So do I.  But if I make an agreement to be reachable, I ALWAYS
honor it unless I am physically incapable of doing so!

> I appreciate the fact that you are anxious to discuss the NC call
> that took place on Friday; however, my duties at ICANN are purely voluntary
> and I feel no duty to sacrifice my family time to you or anyone else, unless
> I feel there is a pressing need.

  I am not particularly anxious.  I just wanted to hear from your perspective
what was discussed in some detail.  I hope you took specific notes?
I also want to hear what your take on an MP3 recording device failure
at such a convenient time just after the power failures at ACCRA,
would seem coincidental.

> In this case, I think our discussion can
> wait until Monday.  I apologize in advance if my position offends you --
> that certainly is not my intent.

  Well, we shall see...

>
>
> J. Scott Evans
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> To: <jse@adamspat.com>
> Cc: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>; "Cade,Marilyn S -
> LGA" <mcade@att.com>; <ga@dnso.org>; "Stuart Lynn" <lynn@icann.org>; "icann
> board address" <icann-board@icann.org>; "NIPC" <nipc.watch@fbi.gov>
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 2:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [ga] MP3 technical failure - Another "Load"
>
> > Scott and all assembly members,
> >
> >   Scott the number listed on the web site you listed,
> http://www.adamspat.com/
> > is not your personal phone number ( [704] 375-9249 ).  It is also dam
> > convenient of you to today as Saturday to finally leave some method
> > by which you can be contacted.  The number [704] 375-9249 is for
> > a law firm that I assume you are a partner in.  I left a very brief and
> > unappreciative Phone mail message at your EXTENSION.  You sir,
> > are I suspect hiding behind Phone Mail.  THAT does not engender
> > trust.  I now DO NOT trust you.  I will file a complaint with the
> > ABA and notify my personal Atty. today.  YOU sir are being
> > purposefully misleading.  As such from this point on ANYTHING
> > you may say is NOT to be believed.
> > So much for honesty and transparency from you, and your participation
> > on the ICP-3.  Lets see how Marilyn does...
> >
> > jse@adamspat.com wrote:
> >
> > > Jeff:
> > >
> > > I am unwilling to post my phone number on this list.  However, Danny
> Younger
> > > has my number and it can be found on my firm's web site (which I will
> > > apologize in advance for b/c it is slightly pathetic).  The URL is
> > > www.adamspat.com
> > >
> > > J. Scott Evans
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > > To: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
> > > Cc: "Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" <mcade@att.com>; <jse@adamspat.com>;
> > > <ga@dnso.org>; "Stuart Lynn" <lynn@icann.org>; "icann board address"
> > > <icann-board@icann.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:59 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ga] MP3 technical failure - Another "Load"
> > >
> > > > Sotiris, Marilyn and all assembly members,
> > > >
> > > >   I have to agree again with Sotiris to a very great degree.  However
> > > > Sotiris made a slight mistake at the end of his reply below by
> > > > asking one of the same "Spinmiesters" that have created the mess
> > > > in part how to proceed from here.  That is an invite to more
> > > > spinmistering and non-productive nonsense or further damage
> > > > to stakeholders...  So just asking for more brown fecal
> > > > matter to be added to the existing "Load" is not what
> > > > I hope you had in mind Sotiris..
> > > >
> > > >   BTW Marilyn and Scott still awaiting your phone call or
> > > > real contact phone number, per your offers...  ???
> > > >
> > > > Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I understand "both".    .....and  I know that in order to move
> ahead,
> > > that
> > > > > > Thomas and Alex and you, and others in the GA will need to be
> engaged.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok Marilyn, let's have a hear to heart.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is frustrating to hear that our input is desired and to
> > > > > _know_ that heretofore our input has been glossed over and
> > > > > completely ignored.  To ask a question and get spin in
> > > > > return is enough to test anyone's patience, and these fora
> > > > > are replete with just such instances of non
> > > > > communication.  Many of us are simply tired of knocking on
> > > > > the deaf person's door...
> > > > >
> > > > > > I agree that ICANN has significant problems/challenges.  It's not
> easy
> > > to be
> > > > > > heard or to be effective... however, I attended an ITU Plenipot;
> > > several
> > > > > > OECD meetings, WIPO meetings....,many meetings of Parliaments and
> of
> > > US
> > > > > > Congress...... After that, I can't envision a governmental
> approach to
> > > the
> > > > > > management of these issues which moves quickly, provides broad
> > > consensus
> > > > > > development and is above nationalist perspectives. avoids
> government
> > > > > > encroachment into technical issues of the Internet.
> > > > >
> > > > > You make a good point here.  I too would hate to see
> > > > > governments in charge, but with the prevailing US
> > > > > corporate and DoC stranglehold over all things ICANN, it's
> > > > > pretty difficult to see a difference between the frying
> > > > > pan or the fire, so to speak.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know that many think their voice isn't heard at ICANN - some
> would
> > > be
> > > > > > amazed that the business community complains about the same
> issue....
> > > > > > but...here's our common challenge:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --in multi lateral organizations, only governments have a voice.
> You
> > > may
> > > > > > not think ICANN is much better, but I hope you will give it a
> further
> > > > > > chance. You can always devolve to governmental oversight.
> > > > > >  And you can work now to make it better.
> > > > >
> > > > > Many of us have been trying to do so for four years.  Case
> > > > > in point: At the request of others, I assumed the Chair of
> > > > > the WG Review when Greg Burton did his deed and
> > > > > mysteriously dropped out, we went on to produce a document
> > > > > that was not even mentioned on the DNSO web site and was
> > > > > clearly ignored by all of you in the NC. Instead, Theresa
> > > > > Swineheart misrepresented the "public input" from the only
> > > > > WG to ever produce 2! reports...  Since that time nothing
> > > > > has changed in ICANN's methodologies -i.e. give token lip
> > > > > service to public input and spin whatever angle you
> > > > > please, citing the thousands of postings on the GA list as
> > > > > credible input that has been taken into account.  When
> > > > > this changes, perhaps many of us will take it upon
> > > > > ourselves to start working to "make it better".  So, how
> > > > > do you suggest we proceed?
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> > > > >         Hermes Network Inc.
> > > > >         Toronto, Canada
> > > > >
> > > > > ----
> > > > > direct: 416.422.1034
> > > > >
> > > > > icq: 34564103
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > --
> > > > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > > > Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!)
> > > > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> > > > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > > > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> > > > Contact Number:  972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827
> > > > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!)
> > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> > Contact Number:  972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827
> > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> >
> >
> >

Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!)
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
Contact Number:  972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208


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