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[wg-c] reposted for Brian Carpenter
>Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:34:29 -0600
>From: Brian E Carpenter <brian@hursley.ibm.com>
>To: rmeyer@mhsc.com
>CC: "'Jonathan Weinberg'" <weinberg@mail.msen.com>, wg-c@dnso.org,
> "'Eva Frolich (E-mail)'" <eva@nic-se.se>
>Subject: Re: [wg-c] bounced message, reposted for Eva
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>
>Those comments are entirely technical and have no political content.
>They have no bearing on policy for the assignment of new TLDs.
>
>If you have technical proposals for an alternative to the current
>DNS system, please communicate with the IETF Internet Area Directors,
>Thomas Narten and Erik Nordmark.
>
> BC
>
>"Roeland M.J. Meyer" wrote:
>>
>> Hello Brian,
>>
>> I refer to your comments;
>> http://www.iab.org/iab/IAB-Technical-Comment.txt
>>
>> These comments cut to the heart of TLD political isssues. They were made
>> recently.
>>
>> I also refer you to:
>> http://www.dnso.net/library/dnso-tld.mhsc-position.shtml
>>
>> You were CC'd in the original discussion because I chose to face those that
>> I make unkind remarks about. Would you rather not know? If so, no
problem...
>>
>> To say that I vehemently disagree with your position is an understatement.
>>
>> My argument is in my position paper.
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian@hursley.ibm.com]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 6:27 AM
>> > To: rmeyer@mhsc.com
>> > Cc: 'Jonathan Weinberg'; wg-c@dnso.org; Eva Frolich (E-mail)
>> > Subject: Re: [wg-c] bounced message, reposted for Eva Frölich
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I have no idea what you are talking about w.r.t. the IAB. The
>> > IAB has stopped
>> > dealing with TLD politics since the formation of ICANN and the DNSO.
>> > There is no technical issue here.
>> >
>> > Also your tone is insulting, which I don't appreciate, although it is
>> > typical of the entire TLD "debate" of the last few years.
>> >
>> > Please don't copy me on such discussions in future.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> > Brian E Carpenter (IAB Chair)
>> > Program Director, Internet Standards & Technology, IBM
>> > On assignment for IBM at http://www.iCAIR.org
>> > Attend INET 2000: http://www.isoc.org/inet2000
>> > Non-IBM email: brian@icair.org
>> > Ethernet address: 00-00-AC-CF-5B-82
>> >
>> > "Roeland M.J. Meyer" wrote:
>> > >
>> > > It can be argued that this is somewhat of an IETF issue as
>> > well, but I would
>> > > suspect that the IAB would argue against. This is because
>> > it would undermine
>> > > their stated position, wrt gTLDs.
>> > >
>> > > The distinction between "regions" and gTLDs is a fuzzy one
>> > at best. Granted
>> > > that the EU is a political region, which is not cleanly
>> > bound by geography,
>> > > a gTLD can include a TLD with the exact same type
>> > definition as the EU.
>> > > Mainly, an area defined by political or corporate will,
>> > that encompasses a
>> > > geographical region, not bound by a single sovreignty.
>> > >
>> > > I have stated before that Brian Carpenter, and the IAB,
>> > speak in advance of
>> > > thought and that they don't know what they are talking
>> > about half of the
>> > > time. Ergo, they paint themselves into this type of corner
>> > all too often.
>> > > Now, they have to vigorously defend their position. This is sad.
>> > >
>> > > Arbitrary non-technical restrictions don't belong in the
>> > DNS policies and
>> > > the IAB should be the primary advocate of that position.
>> > That they are not,
>> > > speaks volumes against them.
>> > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: owner-wg-c@dnso.org [mailto:owner-wg-c@dnso.org]On Behalf Of
>> > > > Jonathan Weinberg
>> > > > Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 9:24 AM
>> > > > To: wg-c@dnso.org
>> > > > Subject: [wg-c] bounced message, reposted for Eva Frölich
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > >Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 07:55:44 +0100
>> > > > >To: wg-c@dnso.org
>> > > > >From: Eva =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=F6lich?= <info@nic-se.se>
>> > > > >Subject: Re: [wg-c] Are cc:TLDs included in our Charter?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >.eu or not .eu is a very sensitive discussion and the final
>> > > > word is not
>> > > > >said yet.
>> > > > >People I been talking too is sure that the question sooner
>> > > > or later will
>> > > > >fall on the table of the DNSO and probably then WG C. At the
>> > > > same time the
>> > > > >different politicians within the EU wan´t so have a say and
>> > > > I wouldn´t be
>> > > > >astonished if even politicians outside EU has a standpoint
>> > > > (there might be
>> > > > >more regions - geographic, cutural, sociopolitic etc) in
>> > the world.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >For your information there has been ongoing discussions
>> > > > within ITU for the
>> > > > >last 5 years on having a regional countrycode for telephony
>> > > > services within
>> > > > >Europe (a question driven by the Commission). ITU has
>> > > > though got lost in
>> > > > >the definition of "region"......
>> > > > >
>> > > > >/ Eva
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >At 18:35 1999-12-10 -0500, A.M. Rutkowski wrote:
>> > > > >>Hi Elisabeth,
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>>==> To keep the record straight: .EU is not *regional*,
>> > > > >>> but European Union, it is a reserved code
>> > > > >>> (http://www.din.de/gremien/nas/nabd/iso3166ma/)
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>Of course, it's regional - unless the European Union
>> > > > >>somehow became a country. Indeed, it's apparently classified
>> > > > >>as an "exceptional reservation" as described at:
>> > > > >>http://www.din.de/gremien/nas/nabd/iso3166ma/reserved.html
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>I say apparently, because neither the list of reserved
>> > > > >>code elements, nor EU's category is publicly available.
>> > > > >>It's safe to presume, however, that it's not likely to
>> > > > >>be either "transitional" or "indeterminate."
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>d'accord?
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>-tony
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >_____________________________________________________________
>> > > > __________
>> > > > >Eva Frölich
>> > > > >e-mail: eva@nic-se.se
>> > > > >NIC-SE, Box 5774, 114 87 Stockholm
>> > > > >
>> > > > >http://www.nic-se.se
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> >
>
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>Brian E Carpenter (IAB Chair)
>Program Director, Internet Standards & Technology, IBM
>On assignment for IBM at http://www.iCAIR.org
>Attend INET 2000: http://www.isoc.org/inet2000
>Non-IBM email: brian@icair.org
>Ethernet address: 00-00-AC-CF-5B-82
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