Re: [ga] Re: Joker.com filing "common law" .info claims

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Eric and all assembly members,

Eric Dierker wrote:

> Jeff et. al,
>
> Generally, Roeland's previous statement on this matter would be
> correct but:
>
> As of three months ago there were no such documents listed with the
> Secretary of State of California.  Well that is not completely correct
> the founding owner was still listed as the owner, and we all know it is
> fairly difficult for our dearly departed to own anything.  (of course
> the clerk could have been wrong that gave me that info)
> http://kepler.ss.ca.gov/corpdata/ShowAllList?QueryCorpNumber=C2121683
> The statement of officers did not seem to be up to date either, but then
> they are not in compliance with the statement of non-profit operations
> either.

 Indeed, your reference is only very basic information.  But given the date and
the address listed, this seems to be a normal record for the creation or
ICANN as a non-profit corp.  As such it is accurate as far as it goes.

  As you, I and a very few others have three months ago pointed out
on this forum, the qualification of the now ICANN as a valid non-profit
under the proper definition is certainly questionable if not clearly
not properly qualified as such.


>
>
> So I would say it is not a matter of public record, and therefor it is whatever our
> staff and board say.

  Our?  Who's "Our" are you referring to?

>  And the DoC just signed a contract with these guys!  I hope the
> DoD is more careful.

  I hope that DOC/NTIA does a more in depth review...

>
>
> Sincerely,
> Eric
>
> Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> > Eric and all assembly members,
> >
> > Eric Dierker wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you for any response,
> >
> >   Your very welcome.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > WHO OWNS ICANN???
> >
> >   Good question.  According to the White Paper and the MoU the
> > stakeholders "Own" ICANN.  However as many of us have unfortunately
> > witnessed, it seems that the ICANN BoD and staff are of a different
> > belief.  This seems rather contradictory to say the least.  Perhaps
> > a better question would be: "Who is ICANN accountable to?"
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Eric
> > >
> > > Jeff Williams wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ross John and all assembly members,
> > > >
> > > > Ross Wm. Rader wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > John,
> > > > >
> > > > > It is a common misconception that registrars are somehow prohibited from
> > > > > stockpiling. There are no such restrictions in any ICANN/Registry agreement
> > > > > that I am aware of.
> > > >
> > > >   None that I am aware of either.  None the less John's point is still
> > > > well taken as the ICANN BoD and staff have oversight responsibilities
> > > > under the MoU, which is a contractual agreement with the NTIA.
> > > > In addition the stakeholders have predominantly and frequently
> > > > found that the preactice of stockpiling Domain Names is not
> > > > desired.  Yet the ICANN BOD and staff have continued to turn
> > > > a blind eye to this practice by some.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -rwr
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "John Berryhill Ph.D. J.D." <john@johnberryhill.com>
> > > > > To: <admin@consumer.net>; "[GA]" <ga@dnso.org>; "Dan Halloran"
> > > > > <halloran@icann.org>; <touton@icann.org>; <mclaughlin@pobox.com>
> > > > > Cc: <michael@palage.com>; <afilias@joker.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:56 AM
> > > > > Subject: [ga] Re: Joker.com filing "common law" .info claims
> > > > >
> > > > > > Russ,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I don't understand about this is that the registrars' operating
> > > > > > agreement with ICANN is supposed to prohibit them from stockpiling domains
> > > > > > for their own benefit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I realize that ICANN has its hands full, busily maintaining Internet
> > > > > > stability all day, but does anyone there monitor registrar compliance with
> > > > > > the accreditation agreement?  Or care?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There would not appear to be any incentive on ICANN's part to do anything
> > > > > > about, though.  ICANN is not an aggrieved party to registrar accreditation
> > > > > > violations, and it will be a cold day in a hot place if any registrar were
> > > > > > ever to get its ticket yanked.  Won't happen.  It is one of those jobs
> > > > > like
> > > > > > monitoring dispute resoluton service provider compliance - nice idea, but
> > > > > > where's the incentive to actually do it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
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CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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